Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/21 society

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 03:28, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)

21 society
Not verifiable or not notable. --fvw *  02:21, 2005 Jan 2 (UTC)


 * Delete, non-notable. Rje 02:29, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unverified. --Viriditas  | Talk 03:12, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Verified by Cavalier Daily.  Noted in relevant student organ.  Noted in official University of Virginia library press release as "one of the university?s ?secret? philanthropic societies".  Why not list them?  Because they don't do Greek letters? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 03:48, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Hold on, this secret society gave a press release? --fvw *  03:50, 2005 Jan 2 (UTC)
 * Well, masonic lodges issue press releases, but that doesn't mean they'll ever divulge the secret word IAOM. Dpbsmith (talk) 03:03, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Personally, I've been itching to put entries on various student clubs and societies on my campus on the 'pedia, but I'd struggle to make them worthwhile articles. Besides, being secret an' all, they probably don't want the entry :) Lacrimosus 08:22, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: no evidence of notability. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:31, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. My sister attends UVA and has told me about the 21 society before.  Besides, everyone knows about the KKK and they're a secret society.--66.210.102.254 12:55, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Anonymous votes are generally not counted. Secret societies are, by definition, unverifiable.  Delete.  RickK 00:03, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unverifiable. See Verifiability. See Cite your sources. The current article does not cite any references at all! And there have to be references; personal testimony by a member of the society would be deletable as original research. An IP address saying "My sister ... has told me about [it]" is not a verifiable reference unless the sister is named and there is a means of contacting her and assessing her credentials as an informant. Tony Sidaway|Talk says above that he has references but he unfortunately neglects to cite them. I suggest that he add them to the article in proper form. Will reconsider when and if evidence is presented that this is only a pro forma "secret" society (like the Elks or Delta Kappa Epsilon or the Knights of Columbus) and that there is good, open, verifiable information about who is in the society and what they do. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:51, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Whether this is verifiable or not, I do not find it notable enough. Indrian 04:23, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Individual campus organizations are not inherently notable, and the secret nature of this one only raises additional viability concerns. RadicalSubversiv E 13:24, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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