Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/21st Century Breakdown World Tour (3rd nomination)


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The result was   keep. –MuZemike 18:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

21st Century Breakdown World Tour
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Contested PROD. Fails Notability (music): No information other than a list of dates & locations. Concert tours are assumed non-notable unless aspects such as artistic approach, financial success, etc. are covered in independent sources. Sources that merely establish that a tour happened are insufficient to support encyclopedic coverage. IllaZilla (talk) 16:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 17:10, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep First passes WP:GNG. Plenty of coverage in the press for each night, rather than the tour as a whole. How do you gauge "financial success" when the tour is only 3/4 complete? Nominator fails to also mention the concert tour notability guidelines include "relationship to audience" bit, which I've included in the article with references (and other general refs to).  Lugnuts  (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You included 2 sources describing 2 gigs in which the singer shoots water & t-shirts into the crowd & pulls people up to sing along. The majority of the article's 10 sources merely give listings of dates or names of support acts, and as the guidelines says source which merely establish that a tour happened are insufficient. Also, FWIW, Green Day have been firing t-shirts and toilet paper into the crowd at their shows for about 10 years. --IllaZilla (talk) 17:28, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So you'll be withdrawing your nomination now, as this article clearly meets the criteria you've linked to - IE the relationship to the audience.  Lugnuts  (talk) 08:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course not. 2 reviews of 2 shows on the entire tour are insufficient to support a separate article on the entire tour. If the Wembley show is notable for the size of the audience, that's easily mentioned in the main article about the band (and probably should be regardless). --IllaZilla (talk) 16:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a question. And there are more than 2 reviews.  Lugnuts  (talk) 17:08, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to Green Day per nom and reply by IllaZilla above.   — Jeff G. ツ 18:45, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What is there to merge? You certainly can't merge the long list of tour dates... At best you could add a couple of sentences to the Green Day article stating that they toured in support of the album, & what parts of the world were covered. But that's not really a merge, that's a couple of all-new sentences one would have to write. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:06, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep- The sources in the article are enough to indicate notability. Umbralcorax (talk) 23:26, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Notability (music) specifically states "Sources which merely establish that a tour happened are insufficient to support encyclopedic coverage." 7 of the article's 9 sources are merely announcements of tour dates and support acts. The other 2 are reviews of 2 specific gigs. Hardly enough to support an encyclopedia article about the tour as a whole. If the Wembley gig in particular is notable for the size of the audience, this is easily mentioned in the main article about the band. --IllaZilla (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is a major tour. If reviews from independent sources are required to established notability then a section with such information can be added to the article. Deleting the article entirely is jumping the gun a bit. (Freak.scenery (talk) 11:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)).
 * Keep - Tour is also notable for the quality of the support acts. A large number of notable bands have supported on this tour, including AFI, Rise Against, Paramore, Franz Ferdinand, Jet, and Joan Jett, among others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.77.150 (talk) 01:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Definitely notable tour with all the sources there, but my problem with the article is that long list of concert dates. Wikipedia is not pollstar.com. Maybe a link to the page with the concert dates would be better? JForget  14:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The sources that have been added are used to verify merely 1 sentence. The other sources merely verify the dates. Trim those away and you have 1 referenced sentence about the significance of the tour...that the band shot water and t-shirts into the crowd (which, by the way, they have done on almost every tour for the past 10 years). Wow. --IllaZilla (talk) 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No matter how you cut it, this now meets the guidelines you originally claimed it didn't.  Lugnuts  (talk) 17:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
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