Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2 the Ranting Gryphon

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Postdlf 23:22, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

2_the_Ranting_Gryphon

 * Delete. nn.
 * Delete. Non-encyclopedic vanity article--not a notable person. -- Krishva 03:51, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I found this article started by a fan and edited it to clean it up, clarify elements, and proceed with a proper entry.  Like the entries surrounding such members of filk fandom as Leslie Fish and Heather Alexander, 2 is an actual producer of original material.  In other words, he's not just some schmuck getting a vanity piece on Wikipedia; he's actually created original art, writing, and has made a living within fandom.  As long as he is more than just a fanboy geek, he -and all others who work as semi- or full-fledged-pros- should be considered for an entry.
 * Also, he didn't start the article and hence this is not a vanity piece. -- Sylvan012 04:06, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * (Sylvan012 originally posted this unsigned in the discussion area of this template; moved into normal discussion by Almafeta 06:36, 29 May 2005 (UTC))
 * Do Not Delete. Who defines "a notable person"?  As it is, he's produced original works, is rather well known in his fundamental community, and makes his living in this fashion. -- Sylvan012 11:09pm, May 29, 2005 (Central Time Zone)
 * Keep. "Not notable" is a matter of opinion, and a poor justification for the deletion of a page.  As a musician, a stand-up comedian who regularly performs, and with his weekly radio program having an audience of thousands, I think he's definately notable enough to stay around.  Almafeta 04:32, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, note: A page about this comedian has already been put up for VfD twice, under a different name; it survived the first vote, however, it was re-nominated and deleted within a month by User:WhisperToMe because he felt 'it did not get enough attention from the community.'  That this page was recreated later by someone unrelated to that vote should be considered before voting on this VfD.  Almafeta 06:19, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, notability not established, possible vanity. Megan1967 05:00, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn --Xcali 05:24, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete just to counter the "notable is a matter of opinion" argument, which is a non-argument. The guy is a podcaster, for God's sake, how many thousands of those are there?  And any musician that is unknown to allmusic.com and artistdirect.com, then they are by definition not notable.  RickK 05:57, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Quale 07:55, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Hardly notable if the person is just a podcaster. -- Grumpyhan 08:04, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Expanded the article some, as I was in the process of doing before this vote came along. Most podcasters don't make a living off of their DVD sales.  Almafeta 23:20, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - nn as expressed by RickK. --FCYTravis 17:47, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. NeoJustin 00:51, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete - RickK may have his comments about this being a vanity entry, but -honestly- it's still the entry of a professional comedian who is no less famous than others who have listings such as Leslie Fish. --Sylvan012 22:40, 29 May 2005 (Central Time)
 * Comment. 2 is pretty well known within the furry fandom, and certainly counts as notable within that community, but I don't know how notable he'd be considered in the world as a whole. Loganberry 02:49, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 06:59, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. Perhaps merge into an article on furry fandom or shock radio in general, but 2 does not merit his own wikipedia page.  Stiv 21:39, 2 Jun 2005 (Mountain)
 * History shows the above vote was cast by 67.173.255.141, not by Stiv. Almafeta 03:45, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * My mistake; I forgot to log in before casting my vote. My motion for deletion still stands for the reasons stated. -- Stiv 05:21, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. Prangton 05:12, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. Probably a vanity page.  Making money on DVDs doesn't mean anything, DVD pirates also make money on DVDs as does Bob the happy Best Buy salesperson.  Neither of these people are notable. Keffy 05:15, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-noteable outside furry fandom. --MWMiller 05:17, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)
 * Comment As this page has been up for a week with more than 2/3 of votes going for deletion, should this page be deleted? -- Grumpyhan 04:37, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, fancruft. Nightwatch 05:15, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. I'm a big fan of the guy, but even I have to admit that he isn't encyclopedia material.
 * Keep.. In an ever-expanding and updated internet encylopedia, I feel that we need to keep the concept of "notable people" rather loose. I don't feel its a vanity page since he appears to be a regular contributer to the artistic and broadcasting community.
 * Above vote made by 67.183.18.143, not that it matters at this point. Almafeta 02:14, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  16:48, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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