Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/3516


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Sr13 05:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

3516

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Non-notable punk house. An editor removed the prod notice, claiming notability, but I don't believe it meets the criteria. heqs ·:. 12:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. and block the user for removing the prod notice. --Edtropolis 14:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete What next? Article to advertise raves? Edison 14:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - OR, unreferenced, does not assert notability. Do not block user but explain why the article was AFDed on their talk page. A contribution like this is a sign of a potential helpful editor moreso than any vandal.-h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 14:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 09:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 09:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete Although this article needs heavy cleanup, this is a prominent punk house in New England having hosted a plethora of shows throughout the years. the continued existence of this house relied on its lack of press coverage throughout the years. --Jonny swagger 15:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If there is no reliable documentation of the venue, it fails verifiability. heqs ·:. 16:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete This house has played an incomparable role in the lives and careers of Boston's finest. We're not discussing whether or not this house should go in a history book or whether people approve of what this house is all about- we're talking about Wikipedia. 3516 is a small-town landmark and if the flying spaghetti monster deserves a spot, 3516 surely does. Primmahhhhh Primmahhhhh 19:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Flying Spaghetti Monster has dozens of references that assert its notabiity. 3516 only has first-hand accounts by a handful of editors with few or no other contributions. heqs ·:. 19:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete —  No notability and original reasearch. *Cremepuff  222*  21:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, note that both User:Jonny swagger and User:Primmahhhhh have two edits. *Cremepuff  222*  21:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete I would like to invoke WP:IAR in this particular case. To be able to produce "dozens of references" or any at all will prove incredibly difficult, albeit I'm sure that some sort of reference will pop up if the proponents of this article (myself included) are given some time to find sources. The reason for this is because at the time that the venue portion of the house was active, it would have proven disastrous to have anything published about the house.  The City of Boston has recently become overwhelmingly hostile towards the local underground music scenes, including but not limited to the punk scene, and many venues were being forced to close or to follow an ever tightening set of rules, thus undocumented, illegal basement venues became increasingly more popular (even having its own "the basement scene" compilation), and continue to be popular.  One of the key attributes of these is that they are spread by word of mouth, and the internet.  Any publication about the house in any reputable source would have tipped off the authorities into shutting down the house and or the venue for good.  Thus demanding loads of proof right off the bat is not only unfair, but illogical.

Also please note, that I have never been to 3516, nor have I personally met any of the "major players" at the house, and the current incarnation of the 3516 article is my doing. I did add information taken from the forums and from others original research(testimony, it seems is regarded by many of you as original research), though a forum does not satisfy WP:VER it is the closest thing to a reliable source we have readily available, due to the reasons explained above. 216.20.113.243 18:54, 14 June 2007 (UTC)kcy210
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.