Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/3D Video games


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   nomination withdrawn, deletion discussion overtaken by editing of the article. Closing without prejudice against the nomination of the new article for deletion. Skomorokh, barbarian  11:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

3D Video games

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The article is largely made up original research and would have to be rewritten almost entirely. It also fails to define what is a 3D game being substantially different from just 3D graphics inside a game. In aiddition there is no reason to note the that the term 3D game is used for such games given the limited number the article lists as it fails verifiability from any independant third-party source. Google search results show just the opposite - 3D video game is often used to for the the way in-game graphics look. 陣 内 Jinnai 21:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete: Right now the article seems to simply a list of of games, but such a list would be endless and determining objective criteria for inclusion would be impossible. There might be a case for a more technical article, describing 3D modeling, motion capture, collision detection, etc., but that material probably exists elsewhere already.--RDBury (talk) 01:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete This should be a category. BUC (talk) 21:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MuZemike 22:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. With what there is currently, lack of verifability. MuZemike 22:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - looking at the example game mentioned, Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves, it seems the intention is to write an article about stereoscopic videogames that use 3D-glasses and the suchlike. If this is the criteria, then this would make a valid article - something like Stereoscopic video game, but there's not much to merge to it from here: for example the opening statement is factually incorrect (there were a few stereoscopic games for old 8-bit platforms, not to mention the Virtual Boy.) Marasmusine (talk) 00:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I misunderstood the premise of the article. As you said, a different title would have been better. In any case, there still doesn't seem to be any actual article there, hence my not being able to tell what it's supposed to be about. I suggest that any actual content for this subject could be added to Stereoscopy until there is enough to split into a different article.--RDBury (talk) 02:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Still fails core policies with some controversial claims. 陣 内 Jinnai 09:35, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  -- - 2/0 (cont.) 16:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  13:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Note : I know there are at least 3 people proposing deletion but no discussion was made since the bot fixed the bug and listed the AFD so I will relist it so more people get a chance to participate. JForget 13:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Wow, when I skimmed the discussion above I thought we were talking about an article with some kind of actual content. This is just 17 meaningless words followed by a short meaningless table. There's nothing here of even mild value. Propaniac (talk) 15:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Rename it to List of games made in RealD Cinema. Or List of games that require glasses to be seen in 3D.  Since the term 3D is used in games to mean something totally different, most games these days labeled 3D as opposed to isometric, etc. at a glance some might be confused.  We need to clarify this in the article, and perhaps a rename.  Are there other systems out there which allow games to be made in 3D?  Didn't Sony Playstation 3 have some sort of holographic thing for one of its games?   D r e a m Focus  09:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

On another note, should the article be moved to Steroscopic video games or, more appropriatly, List of steroscopic video games, I would ask that an admin delte the link to 3D video games as the link isn't appropriate as mentioned before, 3D video games aren't traditionally sued to mean steroscopic. Moving it would get rid of one of the problems, but others still remain. 陣 内 Jinnai 19:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep (and expand): the topic is certainly notable; the article requires vast expansion of course. Note, 3D here is primarily about stereoscopic effects rather than a typical "3D" graphics projected onto 2D viewing area of a monitor that most people have at home. A real extension of such games is an interactive 3D cinema and TV, which are booming in the research and industry circles. Given the stereoscopy aspect, which may require wearing the 3D glasses (anaglyph or others), the list is NOT endless today as it is not necessarily about traditional. --Mokhov (talk) 13:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There are no references and the article is making several controversial claims, including the first 3-D video game and several that are violations of NPOV like "[s]oon video-games are going to be in RealD Cinema", that 3D video games are not referring to graphics (in spite of evidence I have shown to the contrary).
 * Well presumably through editing and expansion these usually get fixed. This is a very minor NPOV violation. --Mokhov (talk) 22:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In whose opinion? Your's? I don't believe its minor as it is a central crux of the article. 陣 内 Jinnai 22:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Edit: Also with 4 entries it's not enough for a list. 陣 内 Jinnai 20:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This agrees with my point the table would not be an "endless" list :-) If I get some time I fill find the sources and expand the article before it is deleted. In the worst case perhaps I will ask for userfication. --Mokhov (talk) 22:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The number of items is not relevant. These are new types of games, and when reading about the technology, many will want to see what games have been made with them.  It will grow in time.  There is nothing wrong with this list, it meeting all purposes for a Wikipedia list, listing blue links to aid in navigation.   D r e a m Focus  00:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can we all agree to simply rename it List of stereoscopic video games? Wouldn't that solve all the problems?  How many support this name change, and how many object to it?   D r e a m Focus  00:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It still doesn't solve NPOV problems and the lack of any kind of verifiability, let alone notability of the subject matter. 陣 内 Jinnai 00:05, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You can click on the blue links to those games listed, and it says they are stereoscopic video games. You can easily verify they all exist.   D r e a m Focus  13:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really. The current article makes it unclear whether said games are completely stereoscopic or only certain scenes, whether they are stereoscopic for every platform or just some, whether they all require 3D-glasses or use other methods.
 * List of video games featuring steroscopic components then? I'll see what their official websites and press releases call them.   D r e a m Focus  18:49, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think we should have an article, List of stereoscopic video games. I'd be happy to help start one from scratch. Marasmusine (talk) 12:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is short. A rename is easier to do than just copying the exact same information over to a new location.   D r e a m Focus  18:49, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The article is appropriate named now. List of stereoscopic video games does what a Wikipedia list is suppose to, and aids in navigation, linking to the sites of these games, which are referred to there and/or news media sources as stereoscopic games.  It is the officially term for this sort of game.  I have added in a clear definition at the start to show the difference between this type of game and 3D games, that one of the complaints of the nominator.  Any original research I have removed, that just two sentences, everything else easily clarified.   D r e a m Focus  16:03, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Change to keep per the developments the last few days. I'll agree that the rename and potential expansion of the definition of a "stereoscopic game" might work. MuZemike 16:47, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Given recent developments, I wish to withdraw this nomination. 陣 内 Jinnai 20:17, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: Seeing as how the nomination is being withdrawn, and the current lack of content in the article, I'd like to suggest this article be moved to the Article Incubator.--RDBury (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think WP:INCUBATE is a good idea here since the nomination is being withdrawn; it can live as a stub and being improved in the main space rather than in the incubator. --Mokhov (talk) 23:52, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be the same as deleting it. There is enough content for the article, plus this is a notable topic, more games being made and getting plenty of coverage in this new genre.   D r e a m Focus  23:56, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.