Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/415 (group)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Tone 09:26, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

415 (group)

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Side project of rapper Richie Rich that has not achieved significant coverage in reliable sources. Article sourced only to bare database listings and non-RS (Discogs, Musicbrainz, AllMusic) and WP:BEFORE only discloses similarly non-RS (e.g., sale and download sites, fandom.com, Pinterest, and something called Brooklyn Vegan). No evidence passes WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:59, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Update upon further investigation: I'll grant that Brooklyn Vegan may be reliable and even reliable for rap and hip-hop, but their link to 415 does not discuss the group and so can't contribute to notability. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:53, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:59, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:59, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:59, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Per nom. Not notable. No reliability inducing sources whatsoever. Allmusic could be the only reliable source but the biography page is blank so that doesn't count either. Discogs and Musicbrainz...ahh, forget those. No reliable sources. (Btw Brooklyn Vegan is reliable.)GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 17:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, and merge or redirect the albums. 415 wasn't so much a side project as the group Richie Rich was in when he launched his career (and before he went to prison). They're written about in (it's not great that Google Books often doesn't reveal [to me, at least] the text, but...) Spin, The History of Gangster Rap, Encyclopedia of Rap and Hip-Hop Culture, AllMusic (calls the first album a classic, but then gives it 2.5 stars?), The Washington Post, The Rough Guide to Hip Hop. The second album charted.  As always, it's unfortunate that The Source never shows up in results; it's like trying to write about a rock album from 1972 without Rolling Stone, or something... Caro7200 (talk) 19:24, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the coverage identified above such as Washington Post and reliable book sources and also they had a charting album so that criteria 2 of WP:NMUSIC is passed (only one criteria needed) so they deserve to be included, in my view Atlantic306 (talk) 01:05, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom.Knox490 (talk) 02:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:56, 28 July 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:51, 7 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio 16:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I spent truly too long researching this. When I !vote, I often simply quote just the guideline that the subject fails or passes. I had to take a long, hard look at WP:NMUSIC and climbed down the rabbit hole as to which charts counted and which did not at WP:CHARTS. It seems, at least to me, that their second album did appear on an acceptable chart and that the subject then does meet WP:NMUSIC. Ifnord (talk) 16:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Maybe I can help wrap this up after an entire month. The article needs more sources and most of the fan trivia should be removed. Their bland name makes searching difficult, but some genre sources can be found via a search for <"415" + "Richie Rich">. See also the sources found by the "keep" voters above, plus, , though it's not much. I find the "keep" votes above more convincing. Per a few deep requirements at WP:NBAND the group had a charting album and has enough documented history outside of Richie Rich to (just barely) qualify for an article here. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 21:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


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