Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/49th Parallel Coffee


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 04:43, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

49th Parallel Coffee

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. Straightaway PR/Advertising WP:PROMO. Most of its news coverage comes from paid/sponsored media and PR sites. Hence, calling for an AfD discussion. Hatchens (talk) 11:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Hatchens (talk) 11:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Hatchens (talk) 11:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete NCORP fail. I don't see how a small Vancouver coffee roaster is going to be notable. Source search turns up very little. (That said, I am a big fan of their coffee. But making good coffee is not a precursor to notability.)ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Howdy! Nice to see someone else who likes their coffee. They are good indeed. I am the author of this article, and I should frame my response well, since this is most likely my only one shot to defend. Will do that shortly. And, post as a separate comment.
 * I was modeling this article on some of the Seattle / Portland local coffee shops, as a part of the third wave coffee movement. Example of some of the coffee shops that I was modeling this article include Café Allegro, Monorail Espresso, Caffé Vita Coffee Roasting Companyin the Seattle region, and Stumptown Coffee Roasters in the Portland region. Also, Blue Bottle Coffee and Intelligentsia Coffee & Tea. Ktin (talk) 21:10, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Other articles do not matter in deletion discussions. We are only talking about this article, and whether or not it meets our WP:NCORP notability standard for companies.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:28, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Other articles do not matter in deletion discussions. We are only talking about this article, and whether or not it meets our WP:NCORP notability standard for companies.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:28, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. As mentioned in the previous comment, this article is modeled on the some of local coffee shops in the region (Pacific North West), as a part of the third wave coffee movement. While this is not an AfD for those specific local coffee shops, none of them have had issues. The key local coffee shops and roasters on whom this article has been modeled on are as below.


 * 1)   Café Allegro,
 * 2)   Monorail Espresso,
 * 3)   Caffé Vita Coffee Roasting Company,
 * 4)   Stumptown Coffee Roasters,
 * 5)   Blue Bottle Coffee,
 * 6)   Intelligentsia Coffee & Tea
 * The article does have sources that are independent of this topic and are relevant. Also, special care has been taken to ensure that there is no WP:PROMO by retaining it to be a factual piece.


 * Happy to provide additional details.Ktin (talk) 21:37, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Saying "but there are other similar articles" basically has zero weight at AfD. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:41, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , There is a subtle nuance, not sure if that was caught. The message above is not a "but, there are are other articles, hence, this should be". But, it is very specifically, stating that this is being built out as a part of the same concept / theme - i.e. thirdwave coffee in the region. Ktin (talk) 21:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * we determine whether or not articles are kept or deleted via our notability standards. For corporations the standard is WP:NCORP. It is all about sources and depth of coverage, and has nothing to do with building themes or content areas. If this is your first time at AfD then I encourage you to read the NCORP guideline, which is really all that matters for deletion discussions. No in-depth independent coverage means no article. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - The creator of this article is also involved with a similar AfD discussion of an article which he has created in the first place. For more details, visit Articles for deletion/Elysian_Coffee. -Hatchens (talk) 02:56, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ,3,49th Parallel Coffee,0,8:, Not sure I follow - is the above implication that I should not be using the same case at two different, but, related AfDs? Also, I should add that the above commenter is the one that has marked that article for AfD as well. Ktin (talk) 03:09, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , It is just a comment to link two on-going, similar kind of AfDs. So accordingly others can chip in their views. No need to worry or do anything with it. Best regards. - Hatchens (talk) 04:03, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable --Devokewater @  12:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable as mentioned above TheAnayalator (talk) 17:58, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:23, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, does not meet WP:NCORP, no indepth sources found that indicate wikisignificance. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:22, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, Does not pass WP:NCORP. It's local coffee shop that has handful of news. One of the references used is a press release. It also doesn't have coverage from any major publications. Expertwikiguy (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 00:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks. I was the first author of this article. Appreciate your vote. Would be curious to know the rationale for your differing vote at Articles for deletion/Café Allegro. Seems like these three AfDs should go together (the third one being Elysian Coffee). Ktin (talk) 00:10, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I felt Allegro is notable because of its Starbucks connection and history. Expertwikiguy (talk) 01:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I definitely respect your opinion, please don't get me wrong. But, to me that fact (i.e. Starbucks connection) was trivia. I believe all three articles have their place on Wikipedia, and was actually modeling the 49th Parallel Coffee, and Elysian Coffee articles on the Seattle coffee houses, including Allegro. All of them have similar quality of links. In fact Allegro has a link from its own website marking its history. Ktin (talk) 01:40, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Actually, scratch my comment. Seems like that AFD has been withdrawn by . It is what it is, I guess. Cheers and have a great week ahead. Ktin (talk) 01:45, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Olaf Kosinsky (talk) 22:08, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks. I am genuinely curious -- the nomination says that this article has been written for PR/Advertising purposes (WP:PROMO). When you say "per nom" -- you are agreeing with that assertion? Ktin (talk) 22:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nominator. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.