Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/4Sight


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The result was delete. If editors want to redirect the term to one of the Silicon Graphics related articles, that can be done independently. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

4Sight

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No independent RS in the article or online. Unsourced since December 2009. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 14:08, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment Other than mentions, I found only short news in InfoWorld (22 February 1988, p. 20). What about cheap redirect to IRIX? Pavlor (talk) 10:45, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete – Even in the InfoWorld source, 4Sight is only a passing mention that it was a product for the Iris 4D workstation system designed by the company SGI. The system itself has very little coverage (to the point of questioning that article's notability in fact), so a small component of that system surely shouldn't have its own article. A thorough search on the term turns up evidence of former and current product names, companies, and services unrelated to SGI. There's not enough here for it to even exist as reliable redirect to IRIX in my opinion. --GoneIn60 (talk) 10:25, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I assume there is coverage of Iris 4D in paper magazines catering its market, but these machines were never so popular (cheap...) to have their own dedicated magazines and nobody bothered to scan niche magazines for online use. It is much easier to find references for small Amiga/Apple/Atari/C64/CP-M/DOS applications than for a powerful and expensive graphics workstation. This is a very serious problem, as many computer history related articles may be simply deleted, because we all are too lazy to look for offline sources. 4Sight looks like clear case, but we should be really careful when considering other similar articles of that era for deletion. Pavlor (talk) 11:02, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I spent 20 minutes of my time looking for online sources. While offline sources may exist, the burden to prove their existence ultimately lies on the editor(s) who are either adding, restoring, or protecting content on Wikipedia. --GoneIn60 (talk) 13:44, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete unable to find independent coverage that discusses this topic significantly or that shows widespread coverage. Fails notability criteria. Steve Quinn (talk) 01:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment According to index of Byte magazine articles, Vol 15, No 7 (p. 174-176, 178; July 1990) contains review of Silicon Graphics Personal Iris 4D/25 - with "Window systems" among keywords. I don´t have this issue (and can´t find one on archive.org), but there could be some info about 4Sight windowing system. Can someone check this Byte issue? Pavlor (talk) 07:41, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * If someone can clarify that there was a significant portion of text dedicated to 4Sight within that source, we should definitely take that into consideration. But a one or two sentence description that just states 4Sight exists wouldn't be enough to satisfy significant coverage. Also per WP:SUSTAINED, a brief burst or two in the news isn't usually enough to demonstrate notability, so that will still be a factor. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:27, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect Byte magazine November 1988 (cca p. 20) contains news about Personal Iris workstation, preview in Google books shows at least one paragraph about 4Sight (there may be more on that page... or not): I think InfoWorld and Byte references could be enough at least for a simple redirect to main IRIX article. Pavlor (talk) 06:35, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


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