Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/4th Carabinier Regiment (France)


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The result was delete. Open to restoring if verification is found Eddie891 Talk Work 22:49, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

4th Carabinier Regiment (France)

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According to my sources, (Smith 2015 An Illustrated Encylopedia of Uniforms of the Napoleonic Wars, pages 62 "The two regiments of carabiniers survived the upheavals of the Revolutionary period to become the elite units of Napoleon's heavy cavalry. The uniforms of both regiments are then described, with no mentions of a 4th Regiment, or even 3rd for that matter. On the next page, (63), "By 1804 there were 12 such regiments..." (referring to the Cuirassiers), of which a 4th Cuirassier Regiment was present, formed in 1643.) By second reference is Smith's 1998 "Napoleon's Regiments: Battle Histories of the Regiments of the French Army, 1792–1815", on pages 229–230, the two carabinier regiments are described as follows "Carabiniers, Note: The following two regiments were always brigaded together on campaign." Then on page 233, a mention of the 4th Cuirassier Regiment is mentioned, this shows the 4th Cuirassiers a regiment, but not a 4th Carabiniers. My last (main) reference is Smith's "The Greenhill Napoleon Wars Data Book: Actions and Losses in Personnel, Colours, Standards and Artillery, 1792–1815", where on page 225 the oob describes "...Reserve Cavalry Corps: Joachim Murat, Grand Duke of Berg: 2nd Cuirassier Division GdD d'Hautpoul 1er CuirR (4 sqns). 1st Dragoon Division GdD Lein: 1er, 2e, 14e, 20e, and 26e DragR (20 sqns). 3rd Dragoon Division GdD Beaumont: 9e DragR (4 sqns).". Once again, no mention of a "4th Carabinier Regiment". One again, no proof of a "4th Carabinier Regiment".J-Man11 (talk) 19:23, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:30, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:30, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - I don't speak French and I don't know much about the Napoleonic Wars, but I'm not really finding anything in RS - this isn't appearing in a few OOBs for Jena I turned up. Found some stuff about a similarly-named 20th-century Belgian unit, but nothing in RS for this one; mainly mirrors. Hog Farm Talk 04:31, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @Hog Farm Can I ask what you specifically mean by RS? J-Man11 (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The sources I found that mention this unit appear to be copying Wikipedia, with the exception of a probably unreliable blog that claimed there was a 4th Carabinier Regiment in the Russian forces later in the Napoleonic Wars. Hog Farm Talk 21:07, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Further ref - George Nafziger's order of battle for Jena-Austerstadt again shows only the 1st and 2nd Carabiniers at the battle. Online here. J-Man11 (talk) 18:31, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. I too have only ever heard of two carabinier regiments in the French Army. If it can be proved to have existed then obviously, as a battalion-sized unit, it is notable, but otherwise it's probably a mistake. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:53, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Per the reasons above, additionally: there are no references on the articl, there is no French article version of the subject, and my search for references came up empty.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Per the above. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  01:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - given that it's been two weeks and nobody's been able to verify that this regiment ever existed, I feel comfortable moving to delete. This article is probably an error. Hog Farm Talk 02:35, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


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