Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/7.62 Jonson


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 12:20, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

7.62 Jonson

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Article's subject matter is not notable. No info save the possible authors own site. WP:FAILN There is too much speculation. No information available regarding the subject to verify any claims as there is no information outside Jonson arms regarding the subject.

Possible copyright violations with image(s)

Possible conflict of interest WP:COI

Possible sockpuppetry/meat puppetry

Please check discussion in talk pages Talk:7.62 Jonson DeusImperator (talk) 22:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

The main issues with the Jonson cartridges 6.5 Jonson 7.62 Jonson and the 9mm Jonson is that whole or together there is no interest in the cartridge. While it is possible that interest in the cartridge has been communicated to the parties involved there is no evidence in print or on the internet. In print media the only entry for the 6.5 Jonson is just that a single line saying 6.5 Jonson. So we know the 6.5 Jonson existed but noting about it. The 7.62 is the not listed but the Jonson arms site is the only entity with some information and it appears that that was a project since 1985 with nothing to show for it in the end. The 9mm Jonson has no info regarding it anywhere. Jonson arms may have put the 6.5 or the 9mm on hold or abandoned them altogether for the lack of interest. The 7.62 was to bare fruitfulness in 2009 and a push was made by the company beginning in the later part of 2008 to drum up support but there has been nothing since then on the company's website regarding the project. The general lack of interest and the non-existence of data outside wiki cannot be overcome at least at the present time. It appears to indicate that writers of the articles concerning these cartridges for the Wiki were intimately aware of the subject due to WP:POV nature of the article, and it appears that no information can be substantiated or verified as the information is in itself unsourced and the original work of the author(s). None of the references provide factual data concerning the cartridges. A smattering of other links provide are about subject matters not remotely connected to the subject. It is merely dressing up and only works at providing window dressing to the articles.

Other issues can be overcome through good re-writes, whether it be the WP:COI or the possible copy violation etc. The puppetry is only side issue when strictly looking at the article. The fact that there is no data will leave a header and a schematic drawing of the cartridge uploaded by Jonson aRms to steve's pages - and that is about it. DeusImperator (talk) 11:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Yet another example of someone's personal project. Did a nice job on layout, but serious POV issues and nothing to establish notability, probably because there aren't any good sources. Also mostly cut-paste with 9mm Jonson and 6.5 Jonson AliveFreeHappy (talk) 19:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Firearms-related deletion discussions.  —AliveFreeHappy (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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