Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/72 Virgins


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was speedy keep. I see that this article is subject to content disputes, which might better be addressed by the mediation cabal. Non-admin closure. YechielMan 01:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

72 Virgins

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The article uses primary sources that is Quran, and Hadith to make a point. Even if sources could be found it is not evident to me that this subject even needs an article. In case we think that subject is encyclopedic then he could recreate article with secondary sources later. Current POV filled unsource, disputed article should be deleted. ALM 19:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep While it is mainly primary sources, it seems there are a couple secondary sources whch are reliable. An encyclopediac article could come out of it with time. The topic is clearly encyclopediac and notable. Consitering the article is less than a month old, I think we should give it some more time to develop.--Sefringle 20:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, possibly reverting to this version which seems the last not tainted by edit-warring. I don't see a problem with citing primary sources in this context, since all the article is using them for is "this is what the Quran says and here is the chapter & verse", rather than attempting an OR analysis of them. Even if it's not really what Muslims believe etc etc the fact that some people think they do and why is what this article's about (in the same way that we have an article on Well poisoning) -  irides centi   (talk to me!)  20:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep There is no prohibition on the usage of primary sources. Beit Or 20:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but it is discouraged.--Sefringle 20:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong speedy Keep: This is another attempt to censor information. "72 virgins" is a very notable term in the media. Everyone knows about the term (200,000 hits in Google). Infact if you were to ask anyone on the street some of the things they know about Islam or found interesting to hear about, one of the things they would probably say is "whats up with the 72 virgins thing?" If you have concerns about OR, you should discuss that on the articles page. And as people said, its ok to use primary sources. The fact is that after I introduced the sourced statement that Quran mentions "women with big breasts", this article has become an issue. It was untouched before. Facts are facts, sorry. People want to know about the 72 virgins and we should improve this article instead of trying to brush the subject under the carpet. Unsourced? POV? I dont think so. Why dont you take these claims up on the Talk page of the article instead of just getting deleted. Now we'll see huge edit wars going on in this little article after this AfD fails. AfD'ing it was "lets just try to get it deleted first". As we can see now, doing things like this only causes more focus on the article so its good in a way. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 20:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep KazakhPol 23:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep .Quite notable and perMatt57 -- Shyamsunder 11:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Speedy Keep Having only primary sources is not grounds for deletion. As far as unsourced, this article is rather well referenced. SirBob42 00:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.