Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/80/20 (framing system)


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The result was keep. Kurykh (talk) 00:47, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

80/20 (framing system)

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This doesn't appear to be a notable example of a framing system. PROD was disputed so am taking here according to process. Would suggest a redirect or a merge into framing (construction) or the creation of List of framing systems or something similar. — foxj 16:06, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a highly notable system and has been around for at least 30 years. There may be some need for a rename if "80/20" is too specific to one maker and too promotional, but the systems overall are an important part of production line machinery manufacture. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:32, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "systems" (plural)? Is there no better place for a general overview of these systems? — foxj 21:01, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of 80/20 before, nor of TSLOT, nor MBKit. In my country, the best known system is Bosch Rexroth or another system is known as Item. Extrusions compatible with these are available from Valuframe, KJN and many others. The point is that "standardised aluminium extrusion systems for the construction of machine elements, guarding etc" are a notable industrial product, across a whole industry. 80/20 isn't a good name, as it favours a single (and not the original) brand over others, but I'm not sure what we should call them.
 * Nor do these systems have anything to do with framing (construction). Andy Dingley (talk) 22:56, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Noted. :) How about aluminium extrusion system or something like that, then? There's also the fact that the article as it stands is totally unreferenced. — foxj 01:04, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Something like that, but it has to indicate the field of application too.
 * Maybe just delete it as "too hard for Wikipedia" and WP:TNT. The world doesn't need this, there are plenty of commercial manuals around and WP's internal biases against using commercial sources for objective topics will make it too hard to produce anything useful. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:06, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. It could be renamed to genericize it, but it's the de-facto construction system for engineering R&D, one-of scientific equipment, and building manufacturing equipment. But I see no reason to genericize it. We have an Erector Set page and a Lego page. As far as I know, 80/20 Inc. is the originator of the system. We do have a Lego clone page, but from what I can tell, Lego is the primary Wikipedia page for the construction system. Likewise, I'd argue that this page describing the framing system standard should stay as 80/20, or move to 80/20 Inc. and add a section. Either way, the framing-system standard deserves a page. (I only have to scroll down one page in a Google Images search for "scientific equipment" before I find this image which appears to be 80/20-compatible.) —Ben FrantzDale (talk) 17:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. I concur with the above "keepers". An article on aluminum channel framing systems is very useful. Maybe a more generic title is in order, if one can be suggested. In my experience in the US, though 80/20 is a brand, it's also the generic way many people refer to this type of type of system. But of course that could be managed with a redirect to a more generic page. And as others have noted, this kind of system has nothing to do with the word "framing" as used in the building construction industry. Gwideman (talk) 00:19, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:34, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment Thanks for all of the input. Learning a lot about aluminium framing systems. ;) I will just note that despite almost literally everyone here saying that this has nothing to do with Framing (construction), that is still the first link in the article and probably has been for a very long time. — foxj 00:43, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


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