Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/831 (Taiwanese band)


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The result was keep. Consensus is for Keep, after the discovery of SIGCOV (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

831 (Taiwanese band)

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Article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:BAND. Appears promotional.  // Timothy ::  talk  13:32, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
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*Delete - Note that this band's name has been corrupted in various translations, if I am assessing things correctly via my beginner's knowledge of Taiwanese and Chinese. In Taiwan their self-given name is translated into English as Last Day of Summer 831. But in the west they are simply called 831 and they have an album called Last Day of Summer. Under either of those English names I could find nothing beyond the typical streaming and social media sites in which the band promotes itself. They also have two native-language names that I found: 八三夭 and 八三夭831. A search for those reveals more of the same but with Taiwanese or Chinese text, plus additional social media sites like Weibo. Despite a long history, they seem to have received very little reliable coverage. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 00:32, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: This article appears to meet the A7 speedy deletion criterion. No claim of notability, no references. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article is in horrible shape. I know that in itself is not a reason to delete an article. But I did not find any reliable sources. The only one that came close is a blurb about them releasing a new album. Actually I don't think we consider that too reliable either since it's basically an ad. The rest of the results were the typical unreliable sites, like blogs, social media, retail sites, streaming sites etc. Many of them also seem to repeat the band's common biography. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Retraction - In my original "delete" vote above, I speculated that messy translations of the band's name across multiple languages makes searching for sources difficult. It appears that my own search suffered from that same issue. Given the sources found by the voter below, I am retracting my "delete" vote. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 18:56, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. </li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol>

<ol> <li> The article notes: "831 was formed by five high school classmates in the summer of 2003. They're referred to as the 'Asian Simple Plan” due to their versatile music styles ranging from punk rock to pop rock, electronic, metal and hip-hop. The band released their first album “Save the World” in 2008 with Universal Music Taiwan. After two-and-half years, their second album “The Great Escape” grabbed more attention from Asian pop fans. 831 generated a lot of local buzz after producing the opening theme song for popular Channel V program Circus Action's third season. In December last year they released their latest album “Survival Guide.” 831 invited two Taiwanese iconic singers; Ashin of Mayday and Richie Ren to help them with one of the album's song's, “Cheers”. The band are very close to Mayday and there has been many collaborations between the two bands in the past."</li> <li> The article notes: "台灣搖滾樂團八三夭，以《東區東區》走紅歌壇，成軍15周年時在小巨蛋首度開唱票房秒殺，為偶像劇《想見你》打造片尾曲，更被評為最療癒洗腦神曲，再創歌唱事業巔峰. ... 八三夭於2003年成軍出道，音樂路走來相當艱辛，五人第一次參加春吶時，觀眾不到十個人，其中有八個人還是團員親戚，不過堅持音樂夢想的他們，並未就此被打敗，4年後在海洋音樂祭海洋大賞衝進總決賽，獲得五月天阿信賞識，多次邀約當演唱會嘉賓，拉拔他們在華語樂壇嶄露頭角. ... 到了2012年他們遇到了更大瓶頸，耗時3、4年製作《最後的8/31》專輯，不僅得不到想要成果，連找唱片公司發行都不被看好，始終闖不出成績的五人，開始對未來感到徬徨，興起了不如先行當兵面對現實世界的殘酷，也做出恐將｢分道揚鑣」的最壞打算，這也是成軍來首度面臨解散危機." From Google Translate: "The Taiwan rock band Bayanyao became popular with 'Eastern District'. At the 15th anniversary of its formation, it opened the box office for the first time at the Little Arena. It created the ending song for the idol drama 'Want to See You' and was rated as the most healing Brainwashing the Divine Comedy, create another peak of singing career. It is hard to imagine that these five big boys who insisted on their musical dreams faced a crisis of dissolution. ... Bayanyao made his debut in 2003. The musical journey was quite difficult. When the five people participated in the Spring Festival for the first time, there were less than ten audience members, eight of whom were relatives of the group members. However, they insisted on their music dreams. After being defeated, they entered the finals at the Ocean Music Festival Ocean Awards four years later and won the appreciation of Mayday Ashin. They have been invited to be concert guests many times to draw them to the Chinese music scene. ... By 2012, they encountered a bigger bottleneck. It took 3 or 4 years to produce the 'Last 8/31' album. Not only did they fail to get the desired results, they were not even optimistic about finding a record company to release them, and they were unable to achieve results. The five people began to feel hesitated about the future. They became better off as soldiers to face the cruelty of the real world, and they also made the worst plan to 'divide'. This is also the first time that Chengjun is facing a crisis of dissolution."</li> <li> The article notes: "其實八三夭成軍多年，每年的8月31日總會舉辦生日趴和歌迷慶生，這些年來他們走過大大小小場地，最小幾百人的、中型幾千人的、最大則是台大體育館，而2018年終於申請到了台北小巨蛋，也終於給了歌迷們一個交代. 原文網址: 側寫／記者眼裡最沒梗的樂團！ 每個人認識八三夭可能來自不同地方，一開始和Circus合作的《來去夏威夷》、紅透半邊天的《東區東區》、失戀必聽的《我怎麼哭了》、和阿信、任賢齊一同合唱的《乾啦乾啦》、翻新舊作品的《眉飛色舞》，每一首歌背後都有八三夭歌迷的故事  原文網址: 側寫／記者眼裡最沒梗的樂團！ ... 當了記者後，開始認識八三夭，說老實話，在整個娛樂圈裡面，他們真的很不有趣，每次鏡頭過去，久久他們才能擠出一兩個好笑的話；打開信箱裡的新聞稿，重複看了又看，有時候真的找不到什麼新聞點. 原文網址: 側寫／記者眼裡最沒梗的樂團！" From Google Translate: "In fact, the 831 army has been in the army for many years. Every year on August 31st, birthday parties and fan celebrations are always held. Over the years, they have walked through large and small venues. The smallest is a few hundred people, the medium-sized thousands of people, and the largest is the National Taiwan University Stadium. In 2018, I finally applied for the Taipei Arena, and finally gave the fans an explanation. Everyone knows Bayanyao may come from different places. At the beginning, I collaborated with Circus in 'Come and Go to Hawaii', 'Eastern District' which is so popular that it is half the sky, 'Why I Cry' which must be heard for broken love, and sang with Ashin and Ren Xianqi. 'Fuck Up, Go Up,' and 'Fresh and Dancing', which refurbished old works, have a story about Bayanyao fans behind each song. ... After becoming a reporter, I began to know Bayanyao. To be honest, in the entire entertainment industry, they are really not funny. Every time the scene passes, it takes a long time for them to squeeze out one or two funny words; open the press release in the mailbox, I watched and watched repeatedly, sometimes I really couldn't find any news points. Although due to work, I occasionally find this group of people really boring and uninteresting. They occasionally laugh at themselves as the 'most lackluster rock band', but it doesn't matter, because they put all their energy into it."</li> <li> The article notes: "搖滾天團八三夭接下第16屆捷運街舞大賽的代言人，8月15日初賽也將在台北東區封街舉辦「東區東區動次嘉年華」，由於新冠肺炎（COVID-19)疫情影響，商演接連取消，僅剩代言出席活動，面對損失，團員開玩笑說「大概掉一條大安路」，成了疫情受災戶." From Google Translate: "The rock group Ba Sanyao took over as the spokesperson for the 16th MRT Street Dance Competition. The preliminary contest will also hold the 'Eastern District East Carnival' on August 15 in Fengjie, East District, Taipei. Due to the impact of the COVID-19 epidemic, The business performances were cancelled one after another, and only endorsements were left to attend the event. Faced with the loss, members of the group joked that 'probably off a Daan road' and became victims of the epidemic."</li> <li> The article's summary notes: "八三夭成軍14年，由地下樂團轉變為主流樂團，8月在台北舉行的兩場演唱會門票120秒被掃空，人氣滿滿且多次獲五月天提攜，但他們來港開唱前夕，接受訪問時坦言一路走來不容易，甚至現在仍處於「熬」的狀態，但慶幸是熬的路上不曾感到孤獨，呢啲咪就係愛囉." From Google Translate: "In the 14th year of the band's 14th anniversary, 831 was transformed from an underground orchestra to a mainstream orchestra. Tickets for two concerts held in Taipei in August were swept away in 120 seconds. They were full of popularity and were supported by Mayday many times, but they came to Hong Kong to sing on the eve During the interview, I frankly said that it was not easy to go all the way, and I am still in a state of 'simmering', but fortunately I never felt lonely on the way."</li> <li> The article provides information about a band member's donation of his liver to his father. The article discusses the impact of the surgery on the band's work.</li> <li> The article notes: "搖滾樂團八三夭，最近推出新歌《來互相傷害》，特別找來A-Lin合作，跨音域飆唱，展現鐵肺功力，雙方首度合作還開玩笑取團名，八三夭加上A-Lin，變成霸凌樂團. ... 《來互相傷害》：「含淚不捨也不委婉，狠心無視你的哭喊，愛過怎麼好聚好散，來互相傷害. 」 《來互相傷害》這首歌不僅音域跨很大，主唱阿璞和A-Lin充滿情緒的飆唱，也展現A-Lin的鐵肺唱功，這回合作雙方還取了很特別的團名. ... 《迷路在雲端》：「迷路在雲端，才懂所謂的作伴，不是用我的痛苦，綁架你的罪惡感. 」 A-Lin和蕭煌奇的合音讓人癡迷，《迷路在雲端》將男女在愛情裡的椎心痛楚，詮釋得淋漓盡致." From Google Translate: "The rock band Bayanyao recently released a new song 'Come to Hurt Each Other'. In particular, it invited A-Lin to collaborate, sing across the gamut, and show iron lung skills. The two sides also joked and named the group for the first time. Bayanyao added A- Lin, became a bullying band. ... ' The song 'Come to Hurt Each Other' not only has a wide range of vocals, but also the lead singer. Pu and A-Lin sang emotionally, and also showed A-Lin's iron lung singing skills. This time, the two sides of the cooperation also took a very special group name. ... A-Lin and Xiao Huangqi sang the entanglement they wanted to express. 'Lost in the Clouds' is a difficult song, Let the two people say funny that they have the opportunity to sing live together, they may sing well only when they talk to each other."</li> <li> The article notes: "五月天的師妹丁噹新歌〈不是你的錯〉成為排行榜冠軍，他們又開黃腔：「很喜歡丁噹在我們上面. 」更火辣的是，他們的師弟團名八三夭也是過去軍妓的代號「831」，又與色情有關. ... 聽說團名的另一歷史典故，八三夭團長小橘趕緊說：「我們取名八三夭，是因為８月31日是暑假的最後一天，學生通常對這一天又愛又恨. 」唱片公司則不對此發言." From Google Translate: "Mayday’s junior sister Ding Dang’s new song 'It’s Not Your Fault' became the champion of the rankings, and they opened up a yellow accent: 'I really like Ding Dang above us.' What’s even hotter is that their junior cadet, Ba Sanyao, was also a former military prostitute. The code name '831' is also related to pornography. The regiment member, who has an average age of 27 and has never been a soldier, said yesterday that he had no idea about the '831 military prostitute'. ... Hearing about another historical allusion to the group's name, the leader of Bayanyao, Xiaoju hurriedly said: 'We named Bayanyao because August 31 is the last day of summer vacation. Students usually love and hate this day. The record company did not speak on this. Mayday is preparing for a concert in Beijing Bird's Nest. Yesterday, the sexy goddess Lai Linen helped on the Ba Sanyao platform. The members immediately changed from trendy men to shy men, not daring to look directly at the beautiful women."</li> <li> The article notes: "八三夭樂隊是10年前由5個高中好友組成的樂團 : 團長小橘、主唱阿璞、吉他手劉逼、貝斯手霸天和鼓手子瑜. 他們年輕，率真，充滿活力. 我注意到他們，有兩個方面. 一是，台灣知名的歌手，五月天主唱阿信加入到了八三夭樂隊製作行列. 這是一個很有趣的現象 : 藝人推藝人，前浪推後浪. 二來，和五月天一樣，八三夭樂隊也想到國際舞台試試身手. 2012年末，華語流行音樂高峰論壇期間，台北的朋友把八三夭樂隊介紹給我. 小橘、阿璞、劉逼、霸天和子瑜向我介紹了他們的音樂追求，他們的舞台夢想和對國際市場的期待. 請聽台灣樂隊八三夭訪談." From Google Translate: "Bayanyao Band is an orchestra formed by five high school friends 10 years ago: leader Xiaoju, lead singer Apu, guitarist Liu Bi, bassist Batian and drummer Ziyu. They are young, honest and full of energy. I noticed them, there are two aspects. One is that the well-known singer in Taiwan, Mayday lead singer Ashin, joined the production of Bayanyao. This is a very interesting phenomenon: artists push artists, wave forward pushes wave behind. Secondly, like Mayday, Bayanyao Band also wanted to try their skills on the international stage. At the end of 2012, during the Chinese Pop Music Summit, my friends in Taipei introduced the Bayanyao to me. Xiaoju, Apu, Liu Bi, Ba Tian and Tzuyu introduced to me their musical pursuits, their stage dreams and their expectations for the international market. Please listen to the interview with Taiwanese band Bayanyao."</li> <li> The article notes: From Google Translate: "The rock band 'Ba Sanyao' (831) is loved by many students because of its passionate and positive songs. Recently, the touching story of lead singer Apu donating liver to save his father last year was also exposed. The members of the group accompanied Apu before entering the surgery room, and stayed in the hospital lounge during the operation, waiting for 12 hours, even in After being infected with his wound, Apu rushed to the hospital to get shit, urine, and rehabilitation. The strong feelings of the members moved the fans very much! 'Basanyao' are five former high school friends who were successful high school friends. They have accumulated profound revolutionary emotions over the years. Even after Apu's surgery, the five older boys mentioned it mostly lightly, but on the 25th, 'Basanyao' was around The staff revealed this touching story to the public through Facebook."</li> <li> This is a passing mention of the band. I am not using it to establish notability. I am using it to verify the band's English name, 831. The article notes: "Three hundred concertgoers at the annual CMJ Music Marathon filled the Union Square Ballroom for the concert by the Taiwanese groups — 831 (八 三夭), Da Mouth (大嘴巴) and Chemical Monkeys (化學猴子)."</li> <li></li> <li> This is an interview so is not independent coverage. It can be used to verify information about the band's name and formation. The article notes (from Google Translate), "831 said it was an honor to be compared with Mayday. From left: Xiaoju (keyboard and chorus), Liu Bi (guitarist), Apu (vocal and guitarist), Adian (drummer), Batian (bass player)"</li> </ol>

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow 831 to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 09:52, 27 July 2020 (UTC)</li></ul>


 * Comment: I expanded and added sources to the article. Cunard (talk) 09:52, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, thank you for taking the time to find and post these sources. I'll happily change my vote to keep or redirect based on your feedback. What I'd like to know is the article here named correctly? How would they most commonly be searched for in English? It seems like Bayanyao would be a better name and this page name could be a redirect to that. Please let us know. Thank you again. <span style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace;"> // Timothy ::  talk  10:20, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, ! Google Translate is using "Bayanyao" as a translation for "八三夭" in some cases, but I don't see "Bayanyao" used in any sources. I think the article is named correctly since the three English-language sources all use "831" to refer to the band:<ol><li></li><li> The article notes: "Three hundred concertgoers at the annual CMJ Music Marathon filled the Union Square Ballroom for the concert by the Taiwanese groups — 831 (八 三夭), Da Mouth (大嘴巴) and Chemical Monkeys (化學猴子)."</li><li></li></ol>Cunard (talk) 10:32, 27 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep with no redirect. Changed vote based on Cunard's sources and feedback. Thanks. <span style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace;"> // Timothy ::  talk  10:55, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the multiple reliable sources showing significant coverage that have been identified in this discussion and added to the article so that it clearly passes WP:GNG and deletion is no longer necessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)


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