Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/84 Birthday Anniversary of His Majesty the King Sport Club


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The result was no consensus. North America1000 18:26, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

84 Birthday Anniversary of His Majesty the King Sport Club

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Non-notable stadium. No refs to be found. HappyValleyEditor (talk) 21:52, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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 * Comment: There are numerous hits in Thai, a language I don't speak. Sam Sailor Talk! 13:01, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm always puzzled by editors saying they don't speak a foreign language. The Google Chrome browser translates these articles effortlessly, and if you won't use Chrome, you can simply paste links into Google Translate's web page. I have found some refs, so it's erroneous to say they don't exist. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I could not find proper refs, but if you can, let's see them please! I have the sense that the notability on this article is a bit forced by the use of the King's name, in the sense that he is revered there. In Thailand you can go to prison for saying even the most trivial critical thing about the King.HappyValleyEditor (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, the onus is on you as a nominator to do your WP:BEFORE work before bringing this here. Now, if you click on the Thai "news" link directly above, you can see that for example the second one, a March 26 story is a news article about the stadium's opening. Again, you need to use Google to translate, via Chrome or their webpage. You'd have to click on more of the links to see what they are, or if as a whole they would meet WP:GNG or not. Again, it's not up to me or any other editor to do this groundwork for you, sorry. I am casting no !vote, myself. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:13, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I understand what you are saying. I did my WP:BEFORE in English, the language of this Wiki. I'd argue that WP:BEFORE does not extend to a search in other languages, especially ones I do not speak. I also don't know the Thai publications well enough to see if it is a reliable source or not, and Google translate is not going to help with that. What is "manager.co.th"... I guess I could go and transalte their about page and cdo a search on their background. Or not. There's an interesting essential question here about whether something has to be notable in English to be on the English wiki, to which I know the answer but do not necessarily agree. HappyValleyEditor (talk) 17:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, fair enough. I don't agree, but well-stated. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm going to get off the fence. 1) the nomination rationale is faulty, there are refs that are translatable easily via Google 2) as discussed above, we do not require that sources be available in English as a condition for inclusion in the English Wikipedia and WP:Systemic bias is an important consideration. So keep. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:05, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Shawn in Montreal, I'm dying to hear what the Systemic Bias is here! If you're going to claim it, please explain. HappyValleyEditor (talk) 02:06, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Really? We're still on this? You're rejecting non-English refs, out of policy, for a stadium in a non-English part of the world. Because you can't read it. And apparently, can't be arsed to look at the them via a browser with auto-translate or Google Translate. And so therefore, any reference on any topic outside the anglosphere that doesn't have a ref in English, we're to discount. And for all I know, you're so ignorant you only speak one language, so that would discount a lot. If you don't understand why that's systemic bias, I can't help you. No one can. Go away. Don't ping me again. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:23, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Shawn in Montreal, nothing you say above is correct, it is all based on your assumption that I'm a unilingual white person with no knowledge of Thai or Thailand, which is incorrect. You can't claim systematic bias as you relaly have no idea of my race, linguisitic abilities or anything else. You also need to learn some manners. Maybe you should think before you speak. Happy editing! HappyValleyEditor (talk) 07:13, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * So you had to ping me again even tho I'd asked you not to cause you wanted to get in the last word? Okay, here's mine: weeks after you started with this Afd, without the necessary WP:BEFORE work, without actually knowing if there were any Thai reliable sources for a stadium in, um, Thailand... you still don't know. You still haven't bothered look for one? You'd rather wikilawyer WP:Systemic bias and ask me to explain how your own above-stated disregard of non-English references fits into that. Whatever. I've clicked again on alternative source for Thia language news refs above -- which is apparently more than you've ever done. I found this and this, which Google Chrome translated automatically, and in which the stadium's construction is the primary focus of news articles. But hey, ping me again, make arguing with me the focus. Or you could do your job per WP:BEFORE. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

*Draft instead as there's nothing actually suggesting the notability improvements, so Draft until someone can improve this. SwisterTwister  talk  22:52, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Once again, "there's nothing actually suggesting the notability improvements," aside from being scarcely English, is, if I understand the intended meaning correctly, patently false. The Thai language ref I linked to above, does "suggest the notability improvements," to borrow the tangled phrase. And there are others. I can only marvel at the satisfaction one must get in copypasting the same cookie cutter delete rationale, over and over, at Afd. It must be a rewarding intellectual exercise. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 17:03, 27 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep in view of availability of sources shown above, article needs expanding. Atlantic306 (talk) 21:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Music1201  talk  21:40, 6 May 2016 (UTC)


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