Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/8 (Billie Eilish song)


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The result was redirect to When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?. (non-admin closure) Juliette Han (talk) 12:47, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

8 (Billie Eilish song)

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Fails WP:NSONGS. No individual notability and should be redirected to its parent album When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?  Cool Marc  ✉   07:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  Cool Marc   ✉   07:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Cool Marc   ✉   07:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - This is a classic music inclusionist-redirectionist debate between a classic inclusionist, User:DarklyShadows, and a classic redirectionist, User:Coolmarc. I wrote an essay for a previous debate outlining the conflict between the mostly clear special notability guidelines and the amorphous general notability guideline, User:Robert McClenon/Music Disputes.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - If we agree that the song will be mentioned in the album track listing, and we agree that the song charted, why not use the relatively clear special notability guideline saying that the song charted?
 * Comment - If we agree that the song will be mentioned in the album track listing, and we agree that the song charted, why not increase the nominal size of the encyclopedia by having a title rather than just a redirect?
 * Keep based on the above reasons. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , I am not a "classic redirectionist". I would appreciate you stop making these remarks about me. How many times has it been said to you and the editor that canvassed you here that WP:NSONG does NOT say charting makes a song notable.  Cool Marc  ✉   06:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?: It's not necessary for every song in the album to have its own article. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 05:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to parent article. No third party reliable souces about the song itself. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:21, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The song has charted In multiple countries and has earned multiple certifications. DarklyShadows (talk) 17:41, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect- The problem with the keep argument here is that the special notability guideline specifically says If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created. The only ref that passed that is ref 3, which is a self-published source, not a reliable one. The first sentence specifically says that Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent. The problem is that there is only one self-published source, which is excluded for being trivial.  Username 6892 18:11, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect per WP:NSONGS. Without other independent and significant coverage, the song's chart performance can simply be captured in the discography page. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:46, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect per WP:NSONGS. Chart performance does not indicate notability alone. Notability should be determined by whether or not the subject has received significant coverage in third-party, reliable sources (i.e. more than just album reviews). Aoba47 (talk) 03:30, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect - per failure to meet notability standards, and all other comments above. Also propose I Love You (Billie Eilish song) as a potential deletion candidate in the future.--NØ 12:33, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.