Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/99 Ways to Die (song) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:22, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

99 Ways to Die (song)
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The same reasons as Articles for deletion/Go to Hell (song).--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 14:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:07, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:07, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. It probably doesn't meet the GNG, but, unlike the other song you mentioned, it was nominated for a Grammy Award. That, surely, makes a song notable. J Milburn (talk) 11:49, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per J Milburn, previous AfD, and via a pay per view newspaper source of your choice. A Grammy for "best metal performance" is a significant enough award for the song to be considered notable. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   11:56, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That is a strong argument. However, not all songs nominated in that category have articles of their own. Apart from that, there aren't good reasons why to keep it.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 12:20, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * So because the encyclopedia is incomplete, you think we should delete more of it? Well done, you've found some gaps in our coverage- get researching! J Milburn (talk) 15:13, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Per WP:OR and WP:VERIFY, unsourced and speculative material has the possibility to be challenged and removed. I'm suggesting to blank the page until some adequate sources are found and added. No information is better than false information.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 15:23, 17 September 2013 (UTC)


 * There are 24 hits on Nexis for Megadeth "99 Ways to Die". These include criticism for its violent content, praise/analysis of its anti-gun message, and there's even a review of the video: Gobby, Jennifer (5 December 1993). "Videos". The Gazette. p. F5. The video's given a grade A, and the author offers analysis of how it links guns with death. This song is definitely notable, and nothing in the article currently seems unverifiable. J Milburn (talk) 15:26, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You nominated this song for deletion six years ago. In that period the article hasn't been improved one bit. I think the situation will be same after another six years (and maybe more). The article simply can't go further than C-class. From the quick Google research I did I guarantee that 100%. And by the way, I don't see how can you verify the live performances that are listed in the article.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 16:03, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * While some of us like to improve articles at AfD to "stick it to the deletionists" ( see University of Michigan Men's Glee Club ), Wikipedia is a voluntary project, and nobody is required to fix anything, as long as it could be fixed by someone. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   16:18, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "From the quick Google research I did I guarantee that 100%". I think that speaks for itself. There's more to research than "a quick Google search". Taking a look on Google Books reveals that the song charted on one of Billboard ' s charts, it's been mentioned in multiple academic texts and even Time magazine. Google Scholar throws up some foreign language sources- may be something, may not be, I can't tell for sure. There are also plenty of books out there about Megadeth- perhaps some of them will contain material. I've already mentioned the many hits on Nexis- perhaps there are more on other archivers (HighBeam, for instance). The fact this one was Grammy-nominated suggests that they probably will be. Certainly, there's likely to be stuff from the old metal magazines; there were dozens around in the '90s. This is a song from pre-Internet days; of course your "quick Google search" doesn't find much. I'm not completely opposed to a merge (which is why my keep remains a weak one) but I am slightly alarmed at your bold assertions. J Milburn (talk) 16:22, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, since I'm new to this process, I didn't expressed myself quite correct. I though deleting and redirecting were the same thing. I see that those infos (Grammy nominee and soundtrack appearance) are also mentioned in the Hidden Treasures (EP) article. So this is basically same information at two different places.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 16:36, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * So, do you accept merging the song with the EP article?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 15:11, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep due to sourced Grammy nomination. Holdek (talk) 12:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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