Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A.C. Ransom


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The result was   delete. &mdash; Coren (talk) 02:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

A.C. Ransom

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Does not appear to meet WP:BIO, and article lacks non-trivial coverage in reliable, independent sources. See also a similar AFD currently in progress at Articles for deletion/Walter J. West. Stifle (talk) 16:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and Merge with Alured Ransom.  A. C. Ransom also known as Alured "Slim" Ransom.  Ransom was also a football, basketball and track coach at Washington and Jefferson and Dickinson College.   Washington & Jefferson used to be a National Power with many noted coaches including John Heisman and Sol Metzger.  Ransom coached W&J (not very well) at the very end of the school being a national know football program.   I did a quick Google News search on him and found 4 articles from the New York Times:
 * One when he took the W&J coaching job
 * One when he was promoted to W&J AD.
 * One when he left W&J to take the job at Dickerson.
 * One when he quit Dickerson.
 * Merge sounds great to me. Same person, coached at multiple major colleges.  At least from 1941-1954.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Addition there were numerous articles on the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and other local newspapers on his career as a player as well as a coach.09er (talk) 02:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails BIO and ATHLETE and NOTABILITY. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  11:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:ATHLETE, WP:BIO. All the links 09er listed above are locked.    Ravenswing  15:45, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: They are not locked you just have to pay to see them.  I would type them out for you but it would probably be a copyright violation.  All 4 articles are short (less than 100 word each).  If there is just one article of that length I would say he was not notable.   The point I have is that this person switched jobs 4 times over several years.   Each of those times the National Newspaper of Record believed it was news worthy.    To me that would say that this person was notable during that era.  The main difference between him and Articles for deletion/Walter J. West, is that no one could point to any third party sources with any biographical information other than his win/loss record.  As I stated above there are quite a few articles that mentions him or about him in the Pittsburg Post-Gazette.  Together I believe that there is enough reliable, third-party, published material on this person.  09er (talk) 20:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply: And what do those articles say? Do they involve, as WP:V requires, that ""Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than trivial but may be less than exclusive."  Especially where athletics are involved, a mere "Soandso has been hired to replace Suchandsuch as head coach of the Miskatonic University Fighting Cephalopods" is pretty ubiquitous and certainly trivial.  So far, nothing in WP:BIO supports an article on the criterion of switching jobs frequently.  (By the bye, I've already typed over 100 words for this comment alone.)   Ravenswing  20:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Please Move Discussion All of a sudden, there are a large number of college football head coach articles being considered for deletion. There has always been a trickle--one or two at a time, but my current count shows 28 [Wikipedia:WikiProject College football#Articles & Pages being considered for deletion|articles for deletion]], and I'm sure I'm missing many.  One editor has achieved a deletion of Walter J. West and is now claiming "precedent" to delete coaches.  I suggest (and have been suggesting for some time now) moving these argument to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Notability so that we can have a uniform and open discussion about what truly makes a notable college football coach.  This will prevent arguing article-at-a-time and help to make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia.  It will prevent a "scramble" on both sides of the argument and make for a single place to come to a true consensus instead of a hit-or-miss end result.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: People having general discussions is a good thing, and when and if WP:ATHLETE is amended to explicitly grant prima facie notability to coaches of even the lowest possible levels of college ball, of course we ought to rule on black letter policy.  Ravenswing  02:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


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