Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A. W. Kjellstrand


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The result was both Procedural Keep and Withdrawal by nominator. Non admin closure by Eduemoni↑talk↓  02:24, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

A. W. Kjellstrand

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I'm going to mass nominate this article along with every single article under the template Template:Bethany_Terrible_Swedes_football_coach_navbox, the reason is quite simple, this article along with the others are about a football coach which article may not grow beyond stub level, this is not a reason for deletion, tho, many of them are not notable per GNG or even per specific criteria WP:NCOLLATH, athletes and coaches from colleges and high schools are notable only if they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is independent of the subject and clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage by which the majority of them fail to achieve. Edue</b><b style="color:#D35">mo</b><b style="color:#E57">ni</b><sup style='color:green'>↑talk↓ </b> 04:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - There are few exceptions in the template which are in fact notable, if the outcome votes something else than delete, at least consider merge, they are worth only a mention or a table regarding their acts, deeds, when they take the position and so on. <b style="background:#FEE;padding:5px;font-size:10px"><b style="color:#913">Ed</b><b style="color:#C13">ue</b><b style="color:#D35">mo</b><b style="color:#E57">ni</b><sup style='color:green'>↑talk↓ </b> 04:53, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Not going to comment yet on the rest of these, but Elmer Schaake should be removed right off the bat. He played in the NFL and was the head baseball coach at the University of Kansas.  A quick Google search turns up a lot on him. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:02, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Close at least close and try again at this point. Quince Banbury, Elmer Schaake, Tony Johnson (American football coach), and Jamie Cruce all show significant coverage immediately upon searching.  Nominator obviously nominated the wrong Phil Miller instead of Phil Miller (American football).  Plus, it seems that only the A. W. Kjellstrand article has actually been tagged for AFD.  At this point, it's looking like a "blind bulk nomination" rather than one that required thought and consideration.  I say administratively close this one and re-start with a cleaner slate.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Paul McDonald (talk) 12:30, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions. Paul McDonald (talk) 12:30, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:31, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - Paulmcdonald, are you sure the articles you mentioned have significant coverage, I didn't find any reliable source, for instance, on Tony Johnson. <b style="background:#FEE;padding:5px;font-size:10px"><b style="color:#913">Ed</b><b style="color:#C13">ue</b><b style="color:#D35">mo</b><b style="color:#E57">ni</b><sup style='color:green'>↑talk↓ </b> 15:01, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep All - I don't like the blind nomination of an entire category of Wikipedia articles, which indicates little or no adherence to our strong recommendations set out in WP:BEFORE. Moreover, the fact is that would erase an entire collegiate coaching history for one school only under only the flimsiest of pretexts, more or less "I don't think any of these are notable," although without WP:BEFORE being followed for each, there is no way of telling. The nominator is guessing and so am I — there is probably sufficient published sourcing out there for each, Keep them all... If the nominator feels strongly enough about this matter to follow WP:BEFORE for each an then to nominate those seeming to fail GNG one by one, I would be amenable to putting similar effort into each defense. Carrite (talk) 17:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Procedural Keep, without prejudice to renominate article subjects individually. This is obviously a mix of notable and non-notable persons who require individual AfDs to determine their notability and suitability for stand-alone Wikipedia articles.  At least one of these subjects (Elmer Schaake) played in the National Football League (see Pro-Football-Reference.com) and is entitled to a presumption of notability per WP:NGRIDIRON.  Mass AfDs should only be used when the nominator editor has done his homework and has a very high degree of confidence that all subjects are either non-notable or violate other WP policies and guidelines.  Such is not the case here.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, with a comment. The procedural keep !votes above are correct, but I appreciate the nominator's attempt to address the common issue here.  In that connection, however, I'd note that while the Bethany Terrible Swedes are now a small-time program, they have a long football history with two College Hall of Fame coaches.  Thus, this history of the University of Oklahoma comments that Bennie Owen's decision to move from Bethany to OU in 1905 was "one of the greatest mysteries in the story of Oklahoma football" and that his first OU team was "mediocre by Bethany standards".  I don't think it would serve the encyclopedia to delete any of these articles; if it's ultimately concluded that some of them don't show enough potential to be maintained on their own, a better result would be to merge those to List of Bethany Terrible Swedes head football coaches and use their content to develop that list article. --Arxiloxos (talk) 18:55, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep per Dirtlawyer. Also, interesting comments by Arxiloxos.  There are a number of similar programs which today are small-time, but previously were important football teams.  University of Chicago is a similar example.  Due diligence needs to be completed before nominating an entire category for deletion.  Cbl62 (talk) 19:59, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
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