Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ABR Holdings


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The result was no consensus. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 15:56, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

ABR Holdings

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Nominated on grounds of low notability. Cloudbound (talk) 22:03, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't find suitable references. It appears in [Marketwatch] but that just confirms that it exists as a company. There are other investment articles like this and this. However, other than being a business, there doens't seem to be much to say about it. LaMona (talk) 16:57, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  19:02, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete as none of this suggests a minimally better notable article. SwisterTwister   talk  19:03, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources. Notability (organizations and companies) says (my bolding): "There has been considerable discussion over time whether publicly traded corporations, or at least publicly traded corporations listed on major stock exchanges such as the NYSE and other comparable international stock exchanges, are inherently notable. Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in this (or any other) case. However, sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above. Examples of such sources include independent press coverage and analyst reports. Accordingly, article authors should make sure to seek out such coverage and add references to such articles to properly establish notability. Editors coming across an article on such a company without such references are encouraged to search (or request that others search) prior to nominating for deletion, given the very high (but not certain) likelihood that a publicly traded company is actually notable according to the primary criterion."  The article's first two paragraphs: "ALMOST two years after selling its regional chocolate retail line for a pretty penny, mainboard-listed ABR Holdings, which runs the profitable Swensen's franchise of ice-cream restaurants here, is still hunting for a suitable place to park a sizeable cash stash. The group last reported cash and equivalents of $63.5 million on its balance sheet - no mean feat for a company flying under the radar and worth around $150 million on the market." It then goes into detail about how the company's holdings are doing: "Meanwhile, the company has become more risk-averse in regard to its operating businesses. Its main Swensen's business in Singapore and Season's confectionery in Malaysia are profitable, but minor brands Gloria Jean's Coffees, Oishi Japanese Pizza and Tip Top Curry Puffs are in the red. Caution is thus the word of the day, rather than 'being aggressive', Mr Chua said." It also provides substantial detail about ABR Holdings' history: "ABR Holdings has been around in Singapore since 1978, holding the franchise for Swensen's. In 1992, it listed on Sesdaq, the precursor to the Catalist board on the Singapore Exchange. It entered the mainboard in 2008. In the 1990s, two thirds of ABR's revenue came from Swensen's and one third from Europa Holdings, a chain of pubs and discos that was eventually closed by the early 2000s. Since then, ABR has tried its hand at other businesses. Its most notable success was Focus Network Agencies (FNA), known for its chocolate retail chain The Cocoa Trees."  The article notes: "ABR Holdings Limited began life in 1978, as the owner and operator of the first, full-service Swensen’s restaurant in Singapore after obtaining the franchise from its parent company in the USA. ... ABR Holdings took on the franchise for the Canadian frozen yoghurt company “Yogen Fruz” and Singaporeans were soon queuing for its made-to-order Frozen Yoghurt (FroYo) cups, complete with fresh fruit toppings. From then on the company continued to take on F&B franchises. In 2006, it took on the Japanese-style pizza delivery business Oishi Pizza and broke into the increasingly popular coffee culture market by buying a 50% stake in the master franchise of Australian chain Gloria Jean’s Coffee.  The company followed up with the acquisition of popular Parisian Restaurant Grill Hippopotamus and local snack chain Tip Top Curry Puffs in 2010.  ...  Today, ABR Holdings remains a food and beverage company, managing, franchising and operating a portfolio of well-known brands including Swensens, Earle Swensens, Hippopotamus, Yogen Fruz, Gloria Jean’s Coffees, Oishi Pizza, Tip Top Curry Puffs and Season’s Cafe in Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei and China. It is also involved in the processing, baking and trading of bread, cakes and confectionery." ABR Holdings is a publicly traded corporation. According to Notability (organizations and companies): "sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above. Examples of such sources include independent press coverage and analyst reports." http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/analystResearch?symbol=ABRH.SIWebCite lists several analyst reports about ABR Holdings:  <li>Published 25 Dec 2015 by Reuters Investment Profile (12 pages). "ABR Holdings Ltd: Business description, financial summary, 3yr and interim financials, key statistics/ratios and historical ratio analysis."</li> <li>Published 19 Dec 2015 by Wright Investors (54 pages). "Wright Investors Service Comprehensive Report for ABR Holdings Limited."</li> <li>Published 13 Nov 2015 by Thomson Reuters (9 pages). "Thomson Reuters Stock Report - ABR Holdings Ltd (533-SG)."</li> <li>Published 27 October 2015 by Sadif Analytics Prime (3 pages). "ABR Holdings Ltd: Downgraded to Average."</li> </ol> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow ABR Holdings to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 06:14, 1 January 2016 (UTC) </li></ul> <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting per new sources presented in the discussion. North America1000 07:11, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:11, 3 January 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 03:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - After that heck of a vote, I would be inclined to agree. WP:42 is appeased and there are sufficient sources to show notability. --allthefoxes (Talk) 07:12, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources. While Cunard's research is admirable, I wouldn't consider their first two examples "in-depth" coverage, rather simply routine mentions of the business dealings of a corporation. Business listings in business magazines are almost always never a good rationale for notability.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:54, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The My Paper article goes beyond "routine coverage" by discussing the company's history in detail. Notability (organizations and companies) says (my bolding): "sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above. Examples of such sources include independent press coverage and analyst reports." The 12-page Reuters Investment Profile analyst report, the 54-page Wright Investors analyst report and the 9-page Thomson Reuters analyst report are "in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources".  The guideline says "analyst reports" are acceptable sources and I've shown here that ABR Holdings has received substantial coverage from analyst reports.  Cunard (talk) 18:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


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