Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ADvantage Framework


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus defaulting to Keep and w/o prejudice to a future renomination. Opinions are highly diverse and the OP seems to have de-facto withdrawn their own nomination. Move discussions etc can of course continue on the appropriate talk page. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:20, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

ADvantage Framework

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No indication of meeting WP:NCORP - sources mention the fact that the company's product was used but do not discuss the company or its products in depth. ƒirefly ( t · c · who? ) 10:33, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:44, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Doesn't seem to pass WP:NCORP. I see a few press releases and some passing mentions. Basie (talk) 11:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep but Revise. This is more complicated then it would seem to begin with. As an engineer myself (I do not work with this product but know people in other fields who do), I feel like this page should be kept but perhaps revised. First, let's talk about something important the name is NO longer Advantage Frameworks. If you look here you can see in the first question that the name was actually changed to ADEPT Framework. Here is actually a article from when it had it's named changed. As the article points out, this software is used by some of the largest government organizations and fortune 500 companies (Boeing, NASA, Rolls Royce etc.). Here is another link, this time from NASA about the evolution of a simulator for a Pilot-force feel system. If you go to page 13, you will see it mentions ADvantage (not yet renamed as of the creation of the article.) as listed in the article. Specifically, it talks about how it is used to link multiple computer programs together. I will not pretend to understand exactly what the use of this software is to the bone (again, this is not my field) but in several fields of engineering it is used widely. As for WP:NCORP, if you look under what is considered to be "Substantial coverage" it includes the quote, "A scholarly article, a book passage, or ongoing media coverage focusing on a product or organization,". Here and here are all examples of case studies and scholarly article written by other companies such as Gulf Stream and Boeing. These are, in my belief, reliable secondary sources talking about the impact of the ADEPT framework. Also, here and here are two other articles about ADEPT Framework. They are brief, and small but I will submit them for consideration just because why not. Overall, I do not believe deletion to be the best route for this page. Either a page for the company (ADI) needs to be made and merged or this page should remain. I can easily see engineers in other fields be either: A) Curious about the software and looking to get an overview. B) Curious about what it is. or C) Just looking for general information. Either of the options, do not merit deletion in my opinion. The product is important enough to warrant a page. It would be a shame and, again, in my opinion, against the vision of Wikipedia if we simply delete articles just because the require updating and reworking. This articles clearly is in need of some TLC, I think we should give it to it. Twinky995 (talk) 01:30, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * , I appreciate your advocacy for the article and I am certainly in no tearing hurry to delete it. However, I'm not especially convinced by the RS you mention and I wonder if you might like to comment further on them? One you mentioned, Evolution of a Simulator Pilot Force-Feel System: contains passing mentions to ADvantage, but is not about it. Further, most of the sources linked on ADI's site are either primary/promotional, or are not about ADvantage/ADEPT. Did I miss one? I'm not seeing significant coverage in independent RS here. Cheers, Basie (talk) 22:34, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep It seems like there may be a notable topic here - I some publications from dtic.mil and NASA for Adept framework. The article should probably be moved to the current name. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 12:27, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 03:55, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Given the new information kindly unearthed by I'm inclined to withdraw my deletion nomination and would recommend renaming the page to ADEPT Framework, or merging the content into an article about the company. Given there have been other !votes for delete, I won't close the discussion altogether - let's have it run its course.  ƒirefly  ( t · c · who? ) 16:58, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


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