Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AFL's Southern Division

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The result of the debate was KEEP--Doc (?) 01:46, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

AFL's Southern Division
Devoted to a single division of a minor league of indoor American football, which isn't widely followed to begin with and already has a network of articles devoted to it. What little hard information is in this article can already be found in the Arena Football League's other articles. Several months ago the subject of deletion was raised on the article's talkpage by another user; this produced a cursory attempt to improve the article, but it remains a pretty much unexpandable stub about a non-noteworthy subject. Binabik80 22:47, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep - Assuming this is a professional league, which I assume it is, and it has "12,400" paying attendees per game (according to league article), I think the league is notable. The division is a borderline case, but there seems to be an inkling of unique content about rivalaries specific to the division.  I tend to follow the rule, that if sub-topics (e.g. teams) warrant an article the larger one does.  --rob 00:34, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - Professional sports leagues are notable. FCYTravis 03:50, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - Two people have now said or implied that I've called the Arena Football League non-notable, which of course I have not. Rather, the AFL's Southern Division is non-notable.  There's nothing in this article, nor can I think of anything that could be in this article, that wouldn't fit better elsewhere, whether in the general AFL articles or in team-specific articles.  Articles on teams are not sub-topics of the divisions, they are sub-topics of the league itself.  The division is an artificial construct of the league to allow it to organise competition, and discussion of it belongs in articles on the league.  Binabik80 22:28, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Arena Football League. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:38, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * I would vote to merge to Arena Football League if there were any new information of substance here. Mainly I agree with Binabik80's second posting.  Barno 00:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, logical breakdown of league organization. Consider a rename to Southern Division (AFL) or the like for a more standardized name.  Also, as far as "isn't widely followed" being part of the rationale, the AFL had a national broadcasting contract w/ NBC last I checked -- that's better than hockey can rate in the States.  See also Southeastern Conference, AFC East, and National League Central for similar stuff. &mdash; Lomn | Talk / RfC 14:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Um, the Southeastern Conference is a complete collegiate league, not a division of anything and not professional. I would vote to merge the other two into parent-league articles if nominated.  They're also part of major leagues, and the Arena Football League isn't acknowledged as such.  Barno 18:04, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * While I acknowledge that the SEC isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, it's still reasonably similar. I'd say it's much closer to an NCAA division than a "complete league."  Division vs Conference probably doesn't matter to you any more than it does to me as minor semantics.  Anyway, I see these articles as filling a List of whatever-it-is champions (a well-established list) plus List of whatever-it-is members (another well-established list) plus other potentially encyclopedic information about whatever-it-is (and there's certainly a lot of these).  Three articles for the price of one seems pretty good.  &mdash; Lomn | Talk / RfC 23:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.