Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AMR Portland Oregon EMS Workforce Labor History


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  delete. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 04:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

AMR Portland Oregon EMS Workforce Labor History

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If I understand it correctly, this article is about the labor history of ambulance workers in Portland, Oregon. I don't think this is very encyclopedic, and this is probably too much detail for an article. I haven't found an article this could be merged into either. A ecis Brievenbus 19:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. One local city's successive contract negotiations with a private corporation would be undue weight for American Medical Response, the only likely place this coudl be merged. There is nothing to indicate that this particular history is notable. --Dhartung | Talk 22:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 23:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Despite keeping a close eye on the local news for years, this hasn't been visible. —EncMstr (talk) 23:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - clearly fails WP:N. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Nothing this could currently be merged to, even if it were notable. Katr67 (talk) 01:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, BUT... The article as it is written is clearly not up to standards. But I think it could be salvaged pretty easily with a rewrite and moved to Labor history of Emergency Medical Services workers in Portland, Oregon or Labor history of Emergency Medical Services workers in the United States with a subsection on Portland. WP:Notability: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable."
 * "Ambulance Workers Vote to Strike," Oregonian, 03 May 03
 * "Ambulance Service Reaches Labor Agreement with Medics Union," Oregonian, 07 May 03
 * "Facing strike, county may lower bar for EMS service," Willamette Week, 07 July 07
 * "Union drops ambulance workers," Oregonian, 26 Sep 07
 * "Union, emergency workers at odds," Oregonian, 25 Oct 07
 * Of course, we must remember Wikipedia is not a news source. I see two bursts of news coverage around this topic, one in 2003 and one in 2007. If that's all there is, the subject may not be notable. But I suspect a thorough search would turn up more. As a general rule, an article on the "Labor history of Industry X in City X" seems encyclopedic to me. Just because we don't have many of these articles doesn't mean we shouldn't.Northwesterner1 (talk) 01:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Good answer. I was trying to think of things this could be merged to, but the only things I could come up with seemed to be opening a can of worms. Perhaps a more general Labor history of Oregon would be a good incubator for things like this. We might be able to interest WikiProject Organized Labour in whipping up something. With what little I know about unions in Oregon, I think there is fertile ground for an article. There have been some serious teacher, transit and nursing strikes in the state. And I think state workers struck a time or two. The Wobblies were big here for a time as well. Katr67 (talk) 01:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Why not rewrite this article and link it to Amalagamated Transit Union, National Emergency Medical Services Association, and International Brotherhood Of Teamsters? The labor history of a group of people who frequently change unions is of interest and relevance to those in labor circles who track NLRB Representation Change petitions.  It also is of interest to those looking for information on these unions and how they are perceived by both these workers and others wishing to join various unions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.195.89.151 (talk) 04:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It may help in rewriting this article if you could provide a source showing that the labor history of this group of people who frequently change unions is of particular interest to union organizers and labor historians. Are you aware of any newspaper or magazine articles, or scholarly articles, focusing on this particular group in that context? (above and beyond news articles reporting daily events surrounding particular negotiations) Northwesterner1 (talk) 02:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nom and per above. Victor Lopes (talk) 00:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


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