Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ANC Today


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 21:23, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

ANC Today

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Non-notable web newsletter. eh bien mon prince (talk) 23:18, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * keep The publication ANC Today does meet WP:WEB and WP:NJournals, there are many independent and verifiable references that quote ANC Today
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Wayne Jayes (talk) 08:34, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * This is a party newsletter so of course it is used to cite speeches and declarations from notable politicians, but that doesn't mean the publication in itself is also notable.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 17:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete for failure to be significantly discussed in independent, reliable sources. Sure this online newsletter is cited occasionally, that is what Wayne Jayes has listed above, namely citations to particular articles/columns that have appeared in ANC Today, such as a cite to Mbeki's March 2007 "Letter from the President". Wayne Jayes also lists (as #5) the sole citation in the article, which is two paragraphs on the founding of the online newsletter followed by a Mbeki quote from the first issue. This newsletter can be mentioned in the ANC article without distorting it. --Bejnar (talk) 01:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge with ANC. The subject matter overlaps greatly with the policies and views of the ANC and the interested reader may like to read about it on the ANC page. The content as yet is hardly enough to fill a paragraph. JMK (talk) 04:48, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as it is the official publication of the party, albeit online. The article can be expanded. Ali Fazal (talk) 12:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually unless someone finds a second reliable source that cover the publication, the article cannot be expanded. Also I don't believe that being a "house organ" is a basis for notability. --Bejnar (talk) 13:53, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

More references
Wayne Jayes (talk) 15:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC) 
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 17:07, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


 * This list entitled "more references" is a little disingenuous as #2 above is the single independent RS listed in the article, and previously listed here by Wayne Jayes in his first list. #1 is just an earlier version of Fourie (2008), while Wasserman so far as I can tell just repeats Fourie. However, the last item, the Chuma article, is in fact a new independent secondary source that has new information.  I could not get a hold of a copy of the Duncan article to see what it held. --Bejnar (talk) 21:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 13:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.