Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AP Psychology (second nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Speedy keep due to withdrawal of nomination. Capitalistroadster 02:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

AP Psychology
This is just an blatant advertisement for commercial online courses -- nothing else. Links list prices, etc. Fails WP:SPAM and WP:CORP and I'm sure some others. KarenAnn 18:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The article was nominated before in May: see Articles for deletion/AP Psychology. --Lambiam Talk 20:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep, are you insane? The article is part of a series of articles describing nationally standardized high school courses.  Nor is it an "online course": the College Board does not actually provide any courses for students.  It doesn't list any prices, or anything of the like, and I don't see what part of it is "spam". Dark Shikari 18:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Questioning the nominator's sanity is not an effective way to win her over to your view. It's rather incivil, as well. Frankly, there were reasonable arguments both ways in the last AfD. Though the nom could have been better researched, it's not out of process.--Chaser T 19:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * ...Strongest Keep possible. There is one link that doesn't go to the College Board... which makes the test. The other link adds helpful information - an appropriate single link for the external links section. The article itself breaks down the content of the test, scoring, and other information pertinent to the test. Does not fail the single test available in WP:CORP, which is C1 under "products and services." The sole portion of WP:SPAM relevant is the first criterion, and I see no evidence of that. Are you certain that this is the article you wanted to nominate? Captainktainer * Talk 19:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. College Board is "a not-for-profit examination board" and not a commercial organization. The Advanced Placement Program has legitimate notability. It's not part of a for-profit corporation, but rather "a program that offers high school students the opportunity to receive university credit for their work during high school." Further arguments in favor of keeping are archived from the last time this came up for AfD. Granted, that's not a precedent saying it can't be nominated for AfD again -- but I think some valuable remarks were made in favor of keeping. I don't see that this violates WP:CORP or WP:SPAM. Scorpiondollprincess 19:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - Well, I just spent the last 10 minutes registering on that site and looking around (after I got my verifing emil) and all I saw was junk and a bunch of advertisements and something trying to download a program on my computer. Plus bulletin boards with more ads. There was nothing informative in my field {psychology) but if people want that kind of thing on Wikipedia, then I withdrawn my nomination. KarenAnn 19:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, this junk-ladened website is not The College Entrance Examination Board that provides standardised testing services (like entrance examinations to institutes of higher education. Don't confuse the two. This is some commerical copycat named company called College Board AP, which is piggy backing on the reputation of the College Entrance Examination Board (which would never have anything to do with a site like this). KarenAnn 19:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

KarenAnn 19:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - I see that you have confused this site with The College Entrance Examination Board. That is what PsychologyAP has cleverly done - piggybacked on the reputable organization. Do some research on Google and find out what the The College Entrance Examination Board really is. It is not this site. KarenAnn 19:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So could you then provide a link to the real College Entrance Examination Board? All my Googling leads to collegeboard.com, whİch clearly claims to be the same organization as referred to as "College Entrance Examination Board". --Lambiam Talk 20:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I'll happily consider changing my position if this really is commercial spam. I'm afraid I'm still not seeing it, though. The first external link cited ( AP Psychology ) here is the same as the external link cited on College Board (where the first sentence says this College Board is the "College Entrance Examination Board (CEEB)"). When I Google "The College Entrance Examination Board" the first thing that comes up is "www.collegeboard.com/". Am I overlooking something? I'd definitely oppose WP:SPAM, but the external link I'm seeing at AP Psychology seems to be the legitimate thing. Scorpiondollprincess 20:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep AP Psychology is part of the well-known AP curriculum offered in high schools throughout the country. I looked at the article and don't understand the nominator's complaint about commercialism. NawlinWiki 20:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep, this is part of a very notable educational system. --M e rovingian (T, C, @) 20:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - O.K. This is the truly obnoxious site I register for Course-Note.org which is the last link at the bottom of the page. The other link CollegeBoard.org seems reasonable. If the last link were removed Course-Note.org it would be a big improvement. I just want Wikipedia to be a class act. But as I said before, I withdrawn my nomination if that is what is wanted. KarenAnn 20:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Response Yep, that was a spamlink, and I have deleted it, along with similar spamlinks in four other AP subject articles. KarenAnn, do we still need this afd? NawlinWiki 20:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Response No, we don't. I withdraw the afd. I'm not interested in deleting articles that people want. KarenAnn 20:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It really looks like a speedy keep anyway. --Lambiam Talk 20:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep AP Psychology is one of the most well-known of the AP courses (at least to the extent of my knowledge). Isn't it much more plausible if you remove the offending links instead of deleting the entire article? --physicq210 22:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. The subject is notable, remove the spam.  RFerreira
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.