Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ATA TV


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Television in Turkey.  MBisanz  talk 00:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

ATA TV

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Short article that hasn't been translated into English since being created a couple of weeks ago  Ja Ga  talk 05:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. From the cognates, it looks to me that it is a Turkish television channel. It could be notable, but since no one feels like translating, delete it. Tavix (talk) 05:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as a stub since licenced television stations are automatically notable. I added the unexciting English sentence "ATA TV is a television station in Turkey." so that the article is no longer entirely in Turkish and a reference to a political party buying commercials on the station. The corresponding article was deleted from the Turkish Wikipedia with the following comment: "06:37, 19 Aralık 2008 Levent Abi (Mesaj | Katkılar) "ATA TV" silindi ‎ (Madde 6 : Ansiklopedik olmayan kişi veya grup)" -- Eastmain (talk) 06:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions.   —Eastmain (talk) 06:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.   —Eastmain (talk) 06:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Well, licensed TV stations are presumed notable enough to start working on the article. The WP:NME essay explains these arguments; nothing is inherently notable.  However, from looking through Lyngsat, it appears ATA TV is more than simply a local TV station; it is available on free-to-air satellite throughout Europe and the Near East.  See Turksat 3A channel lineup, and coverage map of west beam.  A channel that is internationally available on satellite sounds like something we ought to cover. Squidfryerchef (talk) 01:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirect as suggested below. While I respect the opinion of those who want this article kept, since this article is in a foreign language and hasn't been translated despite being listed at WP:PNT for two weeks, I feel that it falls under the same rationale that led to the WP:BLANK policy being implemented. Sorry, that article had its chance. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 00:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but WP:BLANK isn't a policy. I also disagree that the article has "had its chance"; two weeks is not a lot of time during the holidays.  The only thing that should govern now is WP:TIND; there is no deadline. Squidfryerchef (talk) 02:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:TIND is not a license to keep trash indefinitely. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 03:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I asked over at WP Television Stations and WP Turkey for help expanding the article. Squidfryerchef (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep for now - it's a new article (created Dec. 15) so I'm in favor of giving it another month or two, then if not translated by then, delete it. Redirect to Television in Turkey ( dhett (talk • contribs) 04:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC) ) It took me quite a while to do the translation on XHRAE-TV from the Spanish Wikipedia, and going through my own sources, again, translating from Spanish to English with the help of an online machine translator.  The best case would have been if the author would have translated the article first, but I don't see why there is a rush to remove it.  dhett (talk • contribs) 07:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete *Redirect per Squidfryerchef's suggestion below. The rule at WP:PNT is that if it's hanging around after 2 weeks, it's put up for deletion. The 2-week deadline is there for a reason. -Yupik (talk) 20:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC) (modified -Yupik (talk) 07:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC))
 * Yes, and that's why it's here now: it has been 2 weeks. That doesn't necessarily mean it should be deleted; it just goes through the AfD process, which is happening.  dhett (talk • contribs) 06:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The point is that it doesn't stay in a non-English language after the two weeks; if it does, it doesn't belong here. In that case there's the option of transwiking it, too, but it definitely shouldn't be left in Turkish and left on the English wikipedia. A good solution is Squidfryerchef's solution below. -Yupik (talk) 07:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the Television in Turkey list. It's already mentioned there, but we can add city, channel, and possibly satellite availiability based on primary sources.  While I'm convinced we ought to cover this and more sources could be found, it's unlikely we're going to find enough for independent notability before the AFD is done. Squidfryerchef (talk) 21:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


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