Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ATM Adaptation Layer 1


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 22:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

ATM Adaptation Layer 1

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:17, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Not a clear consensus here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:15, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Technology and Computing. UtherSRG (talk) 15:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete or possibly redirect to ATM adaptation layer. Adaption Layer 1 is not independently notable from ATM, which is the primary topic. A case could clearly be made to spinout the adaption layer subject from that primary topic, but there is no good case for spinning out adaption layer 1 from the adaption layer topic. Everything that can reasonably said is already said on the adpation layer page, and Wikipedia should be pointing to the technical specs, not reproducing them. This is an encyclopaedia and not a technical specification document. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:14, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Between pointing to a tech spec and reproducing one is summarizing a tech spec using authoritative and secondary sources, which is definitely in Wikipedia's wheelhouse. -- 11:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The summary is in the AAL and ATM articles. The question here is what makes AAL1 independently notable such that it needs its own summary article? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect or Draftify: Plenty of secondary sources on the topic exist, so I think this could be an article if someone wants to put in the effort to write it. But the article is unsourced right now and not very helpful. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 15:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Refs 1 and 3 are about AAL and not specifically AAL1. The second ref is specifically about AAL1 though. I am unconvinced it is enough for a spin-out article though. It is simply discussing why AAL1 was required pre VOIP. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep A quick WP:BEFORE style search shows authoritative sources such as the AAL specs Recommendation I.363 (03/93). B-ISDN ATM ADAPTATION LAYER (AAL) SPECIFICATION, ITU-T Recommendation I.381. ATM Adaptation Layer (AAL) performance, and the AAL 1 LFB spec ATM Adaptation Layer 1 (AAL1) Receive LFB and Functional API Implementation Agreement and secondary sources such as Adapting Voice For ATM Networks: A Comparison of AAL1 Versus AAL2 (I consider this reliable for a brief summary description of AAL 1) and section 6.3 in the book ATM NETWORKS: Concepts and Protocols, Second Edition. AAL 1 is often discussed in the context of other AAL protocols, so a merger to ATM adaptation layer may also be a reasonable approach. But with good sourcing like the above, I don't see any policy-based reason for outright deletion. -- 11:31, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The specs are all WP:PRIMARY and thus not relevant for examining notability of the subject. There is no doubt that an AAL1 spec exists. The question is whether it is notable for an article. So the sources you say are secondary are (1) ATM Adaption Layer, which is about AAL, and not specifically AAL1. We have an AAL page. The other is Adapting Voice For ATM Networks: A Comparison of AAL1 Versus AAL2 which is specifically a comparison of the two adaption layers when considering voice over ATM. That might be a good secondary source for something, but it is not a good secondary source for a standalone article of AAL1. More likely it would be relevant to an article about voice over packetised networks, or, indeed, about adaption layers. That is, the AAL article. I don't see how it provides notability of an AAL1 article. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The spec in this case is the result of a broad consensus among many parties and is very well-vetted. For facts about the spec itself, it is as reliable as it gets. You are simply mistaken--I never claimed the ATM adaptation layer Wikipedia article as a source. Both my secondary sources have sections on AAL1, about a page in the first and section in the second. These are reliable sources of information for AAL1. There is nothing in WP policy that requires a source to be solely about a topic, only that the source covers the topic. There is plenty of verifiable information in these RS (and likely others discussing ATM) with which to cover AAL1, either as a modest standalone article or as merged content in the ATM adaptation layer article. -- 09:18, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as I think notability is demonstrated though it may be difficult to find online sources. Editors in this area may want to consider merging ATM Adaptation Layer 1 and ATM Adaptation Layer 2 into ATM adaptation layer but this doesn't have to be at AfD direction, WP:NOTCLEANUP. ~Kvng (talk) 13:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not for cleanup, but Merge is a perfectly good AfD outcome. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:13, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah but I'd rather editors do WP:BOLD improvements to stuff they don't like instead of making WP:DELETE their first stop. ~Kvng (talk) 22:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.