Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AVTECH Corporation (2nd nomination)


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AVTECH Corporation
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Fails WP:CORP. Previously deleted. Could not find significant coverage. Note there is a similarly named company from Sweden which isn't this one. LibStar (talk) 04:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Taiwan. AllyD (talk) 04:56, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Current content and sources fail WP:NCOMPANY/GNG, my BEFORE yielded nothing useful, but I don't speak Chinese. Would be good to hear from someone who did BEFORE in that language. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:18, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "公司簡介陞泰科技主要營收來源為 IC 通路以及視訊監控系統,在二 OO 二年時比重約為六:四,後來隨著視訊監控系統的比重慢慢提高(二 O O 三年已提高到五五% ,至二 OO 五年上半年 IC 通路與視訊監控比為四:六) ,公司整體的毛利率也跟著大幅竄升, ..." From Google Translate: "Company Profile The main source of revenue of Shengtai Technology is IC channel and video monitoring system. In 2002, the ratio was about six to four. Later, as the proportion of video monitoring system gradually increased (6 O three years, it has increased to five 5%, and in the first half of 2005, the ratio of IC channel to video surveillance was four:six), and the company's overall gross profit margin also soared sharply, ..."   The article notes: "比起其他同業，陞泰科技的產品腳步並非最快，獲利卻最耀眼，原因是陞泰業務能力一流，擅打市場游擊戰. ... 國內監視器業者三巨人悠克、慧友與陞泰之中，陞泰各客戶的營收比重不超過5％，相當平均，其中的關鍵，就是與客戶建立緊密的關係. 美國前三大品牌有兩家是陞泰的長期伙伴，而歐洲的前十大品牌幾乎都與陞泰往來頻繁. "  From Google Translate: "Compared with other peers, Shengtai Technology's products are not the fastest, but its profits are the most dazzling. The reason is that Shengtai's business capabilities are first-class and it is good at fighting market guerrilla warfare. ... Among the three giants in the domestic monitor industry, Yoke, Huiyou and Shengtai, the proportion of each customer's revenue of Shengtai does not exceed 5%, which is quite average. The key is to establish a close relationship with customers. Two of the top three brands in the United States are long-term partners of Shengtai, while almost all of the top ten brands in Europe have frequent contacts with Shengtai."   The article notes: "陞泰的產品價格比競爭對手低三成，加上七成是以自有品牌行銷，毛利一直維持在三成，甚至對客戶還一律採取﹁先收款、七天後出貨﹂的管理模式，在競爭激烈的安全監控產業中，陞泰的強勢令人難以想像. 「陞泰到底是什麼公司， 為什麼可以連續五年保持每股純益( EPS )達十二元，與立錡互爭興櫃股王？」在未上市股票網站中，最近有關類似的討論相當多. 獲利突出但非常低調的陞泰科技，未來的表現將是投資界注目的焦點. " From Google Translate: "The price of Shengtai's products is 30% lower than that of its competitors, and 70% of them are marketed under its own brand. The gross profit has always been maintained at 30%. In the fierce security monitoring industry, Shengtai's strength is unimaginable. "What kind of company is Shengtai? Why can it maintain a profit per share (EPS) of 12 yuan for five consecutive years, and compete with Richtek for the top stock market?" On unlisted stock websites, there have been quite a lot of similar discussions recently. . The future performance of Shengtai Technology, which has outstanding profits but is very low-key, will be the focus of attention of the investment community."   The article notes: "陞泰產品經營模式與同業差異相當大，陞泰有2大產品線，分別為安全監控產品及IC零組件銷售，儘管IC零組件銷售有『二低三高』的弱勢特質，但由於陞泰IC零組件小而美，主要專注在毛利較高的影像產品，因此相較於IC通路同業，陞泰IC零組件毛利率還約維持15％左右水平. 此外，在安全監控產品開發上，由於有IC零組件技術的奧援，陞泰卻創下晚推出DVR產品，卻奪下DVR市佔率龍頭的寶座. From Google Translate: "Shengtai's product management model is quite different from its peers. Shengtai has two major product lines, which are security monitoring products and IC components sales. IC components are small and beautiful, and mainly focus on high-margin imaging products. Therefore, compared with IC channel peers, the gross profit margin of Shengtai IC components is still around 15%. In addition, in the development of security monitoring products, due to the support of IC component technology, Shengtai launched the DVR product late, but won the leading position in the DVR market share."   The article notes: "陞泰科技半導體零組件代理經銷業務以代理ADI為主，雙方長期維持良好合作關係. AD的產品大多非大眾化標準品，需要精確之說服技巧及Design-in能力以取得客戶信任， ..." From Google Translate: "The agency and distribution business of Shengtai Technology's semiconductor components is mainly the agency of ADI, and the two parties have maintained a long-term good cooperative relationship. Most of AD's products are not popular standard products, and require precise persuasion skills and Design-in capabilities to gain customer trust." </li> <li> The article notes: "準上櫃公司陞泰科技 9 月營收為 2.05 億元，再創單月新高，該公司自結前三季營收達17.86 億元、稅前為 5.4 億元；因監視防盜系列產品出貨持續攀升，該公司日前宣佈調高財測，營收及稅後盈餘目標分別由 22.5 億元、9.5 元，調升至 23.27 億元及 12.21 元，並計劃於下月底掛牌. " From Google Translate: "Shengtai Technology, a quasi-over-the-counter company, achieved revenue of 205 million yuan in September, a new monthly high. The company’s revenue in the first three quarters of the year reached 1.786 billion yuan, with a pre-tax figure of 540 million yuan; Climbing, the company recently announced that it has raised its financial forecast. Its revenue and after-tax profit targets were raised from 2.25 billion yuan and 9.5 yuan to 2.327 billion yuan and 1.221 yuan, respectively, and plans to list at the end of next month." </li> <li> The article notes: "陞泰科技預定下周二舉行上櫃前法人說明會，該公司預定11月底以每股140元掛牌上櫃. ... 陞泰主要以監視防盜系統及電子零組件代理為兩大業務主軸，..." From Google Translate: "Shengtai Technology is scheduled to hold a pre-listing legal person briefing next Tuesday. The company is scheduled to be listed at the end of November at 140 yuan per share. ... Shengtai mainly focuses on monitoring anti-theft systems and electronic components agents." </li> <li> The article notes: "陞泰是國內安全監控產業獲利最高者， ... 陞泰共分為兩大角色，一是IC通路商，主攻內銷市場，一是安全監控製造商，則以外銷為主，也達到不同幣值自然沖銷的效果. " From Google Translate: "Shengtai is the most profitable in the domestic security monitoring industry. ... Shengtai is divided into two roles, one is an IC distributor, which focuses on the domestic market, and the other is a security monitoring manufacturer, which focuses on export, and also achieves the effect of natural offsetting of different currency values." </li> <li> The article notes: "安全監控類股股王陞泰科技（8072）今（19）日將轉上市交易，並得辦理融資融券交易，上市有價證券數量為6,077萬股，上市代號將沿用原上櫃的代號. 陞泰昨天股價表現強勢，終場上漲4元，以155.5元收盤，成交量901張. " From Google Translate: "Wang Shengtai Technology (8072), a security monitoring stock, will be transferred to the IPO today (19th), and will be able to handle margin trading and securities lending transactions. The number of listed securities is 60.77 million shares, and the listing code will continue to use the original OTC code. Shengtai's stock price performed strongly yesterday, rising by 4 yuan at the end, closing at 155.5 yuan, with a turnover of 901 contracts." </li> <li> The article notes: "陞泰今年一度攻上318元歷史新高，近期股價向下修正，單日成交量也跌回千張以下，短線支撐點在263元，本益比已接近同業，流通性又轉低，雖有基本面支撐，但介入宜慎. 永豐金證券發表最新報告建議「中立」，預估今明兩年每股稅後純益各為15.4元和17.7元，陞泰雖為國內安控類股龍頭廠商，明年業績仍可望成長三成，但股價已反映利多，目標價283元. " From Google Translate: "Shengtai once hit a record high of 318 yuan this year. Recently, the stock price has been revised downwards, and the daily trading volume has also fallen below 1,000. The short-term support point is 263 yuan. Surface support, but intervention should be cautious. SinoPac Securities released the latest report recommending "neutral". It is estimated that the net profit per share after tax will be 15.4 yuan and 17.7 yuan in the next two years. But the stock price has already reflected the bullish trend, with a target price of 283 yuan." </li> <li> The article notes: "生產高科技監視器的陞泰科技公司，爆發以自家生產監視器24小時監視女外勞的醜聞. ... 陞泰科技是生產高科技監視器排名世界前20的股票上市公司，10名出面控訴的外勞，目前都已被安置，" From Google Translate: "Shengtai Technology Co., Ltd., which produces high-tech monitors, broke out the scandal of using its own monitors to monitor female foreign workers 24 hours a day. ... Shengtai Technology is a listed company that produces high-tech monitors and ranks among the top 20 in the world." </li> <li> The article notes: "監視器大廠陞泰科技在一九九九年到兩千零八年，連十年創下每年每股盈餘超過十元的佳績，除了穩坐台灣安控產業的「第一把交椅」外，在全球也擠進前廿大. 陞泰科技成立於一九九六年，同業稱它「市場拳王」，因為它經常出奇不意地給競爭對手「一記重拳」 " From Google Translate: "From 1999 to 2008, a major monitor manufacturer, Shengtai Technology achieved an annual profit of more than 10 yuan per share for ten consecutive years. It also ranks among the top 20 in the world. Founded in 1996, Shengtai Technology was called the "market champion" by its peers because it often gave competitors a "heavy punch" by surprise." </li> <li> The article notes: "上市公司陞泰科技被指控以監視器全天候窺視菲律賓女外勞，主管除監看女外勞的出浴畫面，還列印出來品頭論足；北縣勞工局認為查無實據，裁定陞泰未違反兩性工作平等法，免罰. ... 勞工局兩度召開就業歧視委員會，都查無實據. " From Google Translate: "The listed company Shengtai Technology was accused of spying on Filipino female foreign workers with monitors around the clock. The County Labor Bureau believed that the investigation was groundless and ruled that Shengtai did not violate the Gender Equality in Work Act and was exempted from punishment. ... The Labor Bureau convened the Employment Discrimination Committee twice, but found no evidence." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow AVTECH Corporation to pass Notability (organizations and companies), which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 11:18, 15 April 2023 (UTC) </li></ul> Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:00, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete Despite the above, this is a company therefore GNG/NCORP applies and that means we need content that isn't simply regurgitated company info. Some of the selections above are puzzling - for example there is several that extract a sentence which appears sandwiched between quotes from the founder/chairman (e.g. GVM.com. It is obvious that these articles are merely regurgitating company info and there is no "Independent Content" as per WP:ORGIND. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 20:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: AVTECH Corporation passes Notability (organizations and companies). AVTECH Corporation is a publicly listed corporation. verifies that Bank SinoPac's SinoPac Securities division has issued multiple analyst reports about the company.  AVTECH Corporation received significant coverage in  and, articles that do not include any interviews with people affiliated with the company.  AVTECH Corporation received negative coverage in  and  about accusations that the Taiwanese company spied on Filipino female workers.  The company has been covered in the Taiwanese media for nearly a decade.  Here are more sources about the subject: <ol><li> The article notes: "For a sense of that challenge, take AV Tech Corp, a once proud giant among CCTV camera makers whose 1990s building in a Taipei suburb hints at the gap it must overcome between hardware factories of a decade ago and those of today. AV Tech, which made the 2008 Forbes list of companies to watch, has seen competition from China shrink its profits to about a tenth of what they were then. Like its peers, AV Tech has moved its products online, connecting its cameras and the digital video recorders that store the footage on to the Internet so users can access them remotely.  The article further notes: "While researchers have not found any AV Tech devices in a botnet, they have pointed to lapses that make them vulnerable. In a blog post, confirmed by his company, Gergely Eberhardt of Hungarian security firm Search-Lab said he spent a year trying to alert AV Tech to 14 security holes in its products. He got no response, and last month released his findings. </li><li> The article notes: "Taiwan-based AVTECH offers a wide range of IP cameras, CCTV equipment and network recorders. AVTECH is said to be one of the world's largest video surveillance product manufacturers. It should be noted that the firm whose products are vulnerable has no connection to US-based AVTECH, which provides environment monitoring solutions.  According to Search-Lab researcher Gergely Eberhardt, all AVTECH devices and all firmware versions are plagued by security holes, including flaws that could allow attackers to take complete control of vulnerable cameras and recorders." </li></ol>There is more than enough significant independent coverage for the company to pass Notability (organizations and companies). Cunard (talk) 07:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Response Not even close. To date, there is zero significant independent coverage of *the company* which meets our criteria for establishing notability. I'll mention that I can usually access analyst reports but I am unable to find anything appropriate for this company - if someone can provide a reference for a particular report from a particular firm, I should be able to access. Otherwise note that not all listed companies meet our criteria for notability. Looking at the sources:
 * You've plucked three sentences from the first article which is about the totality of the content about the company in the article. It is barely more than a mere mention-in-passing, not even a proper description of the company, and it is not in-depth information about the company. CORPDEPTH says the depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered and also that Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability. The subject is the *company*, not the products, not botnet attacks on IP cameras which may or may not be made by the company and which may or may not be vulnerable.
 * You've similarly plucked 4 sentences from the SecurityWeek article, the opening couple of paragraphs, which like the other article is barely a mention-in-passing and has no in-depth information about the company. Same flaws as above once you understand that the subject is the company and it is this subject that requires in-depth Independent Content.
 * I don't see anything here that meets our criteria. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 11:12, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Bank SinoPac's SinoPac Securities division published an analyst report about AVTECH Corporation in September 2007. In my previous comment, I said that and  provide significant independent coverage about the company. I further said that  and  covered criticism about the company's labor practices. These sources meet Notability (organizations and companies).  I disagree with the description of  and  as not providing significant coverage of the company: Coverage about the security flaws in AVTECH's devices is negative coverage of AVTECH's work and practices as a company. Cunard (talk) 06:56, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * No. Coverage about the products is just that - about the product. Security flaws in products do not reflect work and practices about the company, that's WP:SYNTH. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 20:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree that these sources are about the product. But even when excluding those two sources, there is significant independent coverage about the company in sources like the September 2007 analyst report from the Bank SinoPac's SinoPac Securities division as well as coverage in the Taiwanese sources, , , and . Cunard (talk) 08:18, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey analyst reports are gold so long as it isn't simply reguritated financial reporting from an annual report - can you post a link to the Sept 2007 analyst report so I can check? I've already commented on the other sources here. None meet NCORP criteria for establishing notability. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 16:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero Parlez Moi 19:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Wtf! Clearly notable as a major technology company. Above sources found by Cunard are significant coverages. So passes WP:GNG. (Redacted.) 49.237.39.216 (talk) 00:56, 22 April 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE – Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reviewing the sources. I agree that there is significant coverage, especially in the many years of coverage in the offline Taiwanese sources I provided, which strongly establishes notability. I've redacted part of your comment since there is no evidence for the statement. Cunard (talk) 10:05, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per HighKing eval. Sources are company profiles, mentions, promo, nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth from IS RS.  // Timothy :: talk  09:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete As per HighKing's reasoning. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


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