Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AZ Alkmaar in European football


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

AZ Alkmaar in European football

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Reviewed during NPP. Stats-only article (IMO the derived topic is inherently such) with stats-only sources. Previously deleted. North8000 (talk) 14:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Netherlands. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - if this ends up being deleted, I would say we need to review a lot of similar articles (e.g. PFC Cherno More Varna in European football, AS Progresul București in European football) Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep- The article isn't in good shape but AfD isn't clean up. There is plenty of prose that can be sourced around AZ and their accomplishments in European football so this is a valid content fork from the main club article. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 06:24, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Stevie - definitely a notable topic, major club with long history. Article needs a clean up, not deleting. I'm sure Dutch editors could help source it? GiantSnowman 08:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The club article is AZ Alkmaar which is not the subject of this AFD. North8000 (talk) 12:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware, thank you... GiantSnowman 09:26, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry if my indirectness made it unclear and I didn't mean to imply that you didn't know that. I was responding to your post which was saying the the club is notable and I just meant to emphasize the distinction. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Likewise, apologies if my original post was unclear. When I said 'major club with long history', I should have added '...in Europe'. GiantSnowman 08:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep It's quite normal to have such articles for clubs that play a lot of European football. It needs an overhaul, but the basics can easily be established there is enough content on the web to support GNG easily. I consider this a bad nomination, nominator clearly hasn't looked around enough to see the norm. Govvy (talk) 14:24, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not responding to your "keep" argument (which is fine.....that is what is supposed to happen here) but to your complaint about the nomination. Your complaint was based on saying that the bad nomination because of the "but there are other pages like it".   Quite often "walled gardens" spring up of many problematic articles and so the existence of others like it is not per se supposed to be a reason to not try to do my job properly based on policies and guidelines. North8000 (talk) 18:09, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Really, have a look around; AFC Ajax in European football, Manchester United F.C. in European football, Tottenham Hotspur F.C. in European football, Galatasaray S.K. in international football, FC Barcelona in international football, there are loads of these types of articles. Your nomination is completely floored. Govvy (talk) 20:25, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I just try to do my job properly, whatever y'all decide on this is fine with me. But regarding your criticism of me, for your last post you'll have to show me the rule that says "if there are other articles like it, ignore the policies and guidelines". North8000 (talk) 15:00, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Please don’t feel that we are ganging up on you, put the mention of similar articles is just to emphasise that you are not familiar with this area. It’s a learning experience, maybe if there was a template that linked this topic to similar topics that would have made it easier. Anyway, take the L, and move on FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. Not sure why this was nominated. It needs a prose intro, yet WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. I will try to write a few lines. gidonb (talk) 18:03, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree with gidonb and GiantSnowman, article needs a cleanup, not a deletion. I'll give it a go. --Bocanegra (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: having series articles about a notable club is frankly very normal. Proper BEFORE not done FuzzyMagma (talk) 16:05, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. It's snowing in September! gidonb (talk) 11:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. North8000 (talk) 14:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe next time concentrate on improving articles, rather than just nominating them? gidonb (talk) 18:38, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.