Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Befuddled Mind


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Redirect all to List of American Dragon: Jake Long episodes, all the articles are just a repeat of the summary of the main article, no need to be kept or merged, but no need to be deleted nither per the GFDL. Jaranda wat's sup 21:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

A Befuddled Mind

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Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, hence it is not an episode guide. The now-cancelled TV show, American Dragon: Jake Long, is not notable enough to justify this depth of coverage. Each of the nominated articles can be wholly described by the following skeleton:


 * Infobox with non-free image.
 * Plot summary.
 * Trivia/quotes section, which shouldn't be there anyway.
 * External links/see also.

... which renders them as merely plot summaries. The plot of each episode is already adequately summarised at List of American Dragon: Jake Long episodes. Not one reliable secondary source is cited in these "articles", which flunk WP:WAF. Left out was the one already nominated. MER-C 09:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. None of these is worth a seperate encyclopedia article and they have all been listified already so are currently worthless.-h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 09:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. While better plot summaries could be included in the list of episodes than the current ones, the articles I randomly picked weren't actually enough better to justify the effort of merging them. JulesH 13:31, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all. However a decision should be made on duplicates of half-episodes, such as Adventures in Troll-Sitting, Fu Dog Takes a Walk, Adventures in Troll-Sitting/Fu Dog Takes a Walk, etcetera. Episodes with little detail should be saved for expansion.  DanTD 14:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge, how is this different from our plethora of articles on Star Trek episodes? Yes, yes, otherstuffexists and all that, but actually we have extensive precedent for covering TV episodes.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I disagree, Radiant. There is a precedent of covering TV episodes, but only when they contribute to well established plotlines or universes (like Star Trek or Stargate) and are thus notable (right?).  I do not feel that a canceled animation's episodes meet this criteris. CaveatLectorTalk 14:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all per precedent. Episode articles for a series that has aired on network television have been deemed notable precedent.  We can't pick and choose which shows we like or don't like.   Ark yan  &#149; (talk) 15:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * While I agree with your !vote I have to dispute your reasoning. Every episode of every TV show is not automatically inherently notable. Otto4711 15:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep all - per WP:EPISODE individual episode articles are acceptable if the episodes are discussed in appropriate secondary sources. It is unreasonable at AFD to expect people to go through every mass-nominated episode so I default to keep. Editors are certainly free to nominate individual episodes for deletion if they have not been discussed in secondary sources but I would suggest a merge and redirect of any such episode titles to an episode list article instead. Otto4711 15:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all Delete since the episodes already have appropriate brief summaries in the list of episodes, and since these article violate WP:EPISODE "..it is likely that each individual episode of a television series will not be notable on its own, simply because there are not enough secondary sources available." The ones of these I looked at are sourced only to a fansite, TV.com. The series may be notable, but that does not propagate down to the individual episodes. The individual episode articles are inappropriate and unnecessary. That said, the fact that the series was cancelled is irrelevant, since it is the nature of TV series to be cancelled eventually, and notability is not tied to current popularity. Edison 15:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all - per Otto4711. --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 16:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all and add social commentary Wikipedia is a reference work, not really a traditional encyclopedia. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 17:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all as notable episodes of a notable series. Seems like a possible case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT driving the deletes. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's the way I've felt about every other episode of a series that has been deleted. DanTD 20:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all. This television program does not have the kind of notability and cultural significance that, say, Knight Rider or The Dating Game has. Which independent, non-trivial third parties are discussing these episodes specifically? -- Charlene 18:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you're not as aware that there are many who mihgt've felt the same way you do about those shows. I know of a letter to an old episode of TV Guide that dismissed the signifigance of that classic TV sitcom Bewitched DanTD 20:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all WP is not a TV guide. We dont need recaps of every TV episode.  I can understand exceptions where the particular episode won an award or something else notable, but this is not TV guide.  None of these episodes note anything like that.  Corpx 21:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge into List of American Dragon: Jake Long episodes per WP:NOT, WP:WAF, WP:MERGE, and WP:EPISODE.
 * Seriously, it's all "Airdate, episode number, plot summary", which is what is in and should be in the LOE. Specifically, WP:MERGE 3 says:
 * "Text - If a page is very short and is unlikely to be expanded within a reasonable amount of time, it often makes sense to merge it with a page on a broader topic."


 * Additionally, episodes of Disney shows are rarely notable because while they may have a viewership in the millions, a very large percentage of these will be either children or parents. This makes it very difficult to find an independent reliable source about the episode - the very crux of the notability guideline.
 * I would rather not see the episode pages deleted, though, but simply merged, hence my merge vote. However, I would not object to either outcome - the fact is that there's little or no content in them that could be salvaged to put in the LOE. Will (talk) 00:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge I'm sure it'll be kept, for that's the "double standard" of Wikipedia.  It's hard to think of anything closer to "original research" (and unoriginal topic) than having a separate article for every episode of a TV series.  Keep per precedent just means keep the double standard.  Merge makes the best sense.  We don't have to be intolerant of everything we don't like, and there's no reason why this shouldn't survive in some form.  On the other hand, if you regularly vote to delete "....in popular culture" or "list of....." or "companies located in ....", don't be offended if these get wiped out.  Nice to see the shoe on the other foot now and then. Mandsford 01:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no standard that says TV episodes should be kept. WP:EPISODE says there must be "enough verifiable information from secondary sources about individual episodes" and even discourages this kind of episode by episode recap.  Corpx 01:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Perhaps it is time for a more radical discussion on whether or not W'pedia wants to carry episode summaries, or whether these would be better hived off into fan-edited show-specific wikis, which could then be linked to from the show's W'pedia page. -- SockpuppetSamuelson 07:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTE says that articles should have "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (This is again rehashed in WP:EPISODE). These episodes dont pass that bar. Corpx 07:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep — They are notable for being American Dragon: Jake Long episodes. Remember that Wikipedia is not paper, there's no valid reason why this series can not be covered. Matthew 13:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * WP is not paper doesn't mean it is an indiscriminate collection of information. Corpx 15:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.