Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Bullet for Fidel (Killmaster novel)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The book exists, but does not meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria  SilkTork  *YES! 12:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

A Bullet for Fidel (Killmaster novel)

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Book fails WP:NBOOKS, no reliable reviews or sources available. Derild 49  21  ☼  17:12, 4 November 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  -- Jezhotwells (talk) 18:44, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, Sadads (talk) 21:44, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Diasgree with suggestion to delete on notability grounds - the article should be allowed. 1)The book is listed in US Library of Congress and this is referenced in the article, 2) it forms part of the 250+ canon of Killmaster novels published over a 30-year period that is itself notable for its longevity, 3) many earlier and later novels in the series have their own dedicated articles that have not been tagged for deletion, 4) as an early work in the canon it sets the template for later novels, especially as the author Moolman is attributed as the major author of the earlier works, which is a fruitful area for discussion/reference and comparison with later novels in the series, 5) the book makes reference to events and characters in previous novels in the series; without this article discussion and consideration of the historical context of the series would be adversely affected, 6) the book has been reprinted numerous times in both US and UK editions since its original publication in 1965, for which there continues to be a healthy secondhand market on Amzaon/EBay, 7) notability criteria is not fixed and may be subject to exception, per the WP:NBooks definition

Do not delete - forms part of cold war spy fiction genre with clear reference to historical figure Fidel CastroDrpig39 (talk) 15:28, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep/merge articles and volumes in book series of this sort are a problem. The current wording of notability for books will permit an article on every volume of this series--this is one of 8 that have so far been written in the same manner. They will all have been reviewed--it's just a matter of digging out the reviews. For this series, they have all been translated, most into multiple languages -- there seems to be a current scandinavian fad for them, so perhaps they're now more not There will always be something to say in addition to the plot--publishing history, receptions, translations. So we can justify an article about every one of them under our current rules.
 * However, it is clear that the fact that we can write a separate article does not necessarily mean that we must write a separate article. In some types of articles we do say that, for example, settlements. The question is primarily one of arrangement. Questions of merging properly come here when the situation is that the article can not be justified by notability or other considerations , and that therefore the material must be merged. In some cases there is no doubt that there should be, as for example Balzac--but where not even the frWP has attempted the immense job of writing the articles. We have previously I think concluded that for Barbara Cartland or Zane Grey, that a separate article for each novel would be possible. This case is no different. It comes to the question of how we want to handle these genres of literature.  I
 * I suggest keeping them as articles for the same reason I support keeping episodes as articles--otherwise we will lose content. And for a series this large if we kept the content, the articles would disproportionately difficult to use because of their length.
 * fwiw, the arguments from Drpig are not really valid --being listed in the LC is what happens to most of what's published in the US, and only a small portion is notable ; being part of a long series is an argument for the article on the series, not each individual one; the other articles for vols. in the series have exactly the same problems; making reference back & forth is, if anything, an argument for combination articles; despite the new eds. there are not copies in libraries; and notability criteria are already in my opinion a little too lax for books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs)


 * Delete. In principle, DGG is correct: if these books are all reviewed by reliable sources, they are notable and can haz article. But this specific article cites no sources and is therefore unverifiable. Per WP:V, "if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it."   Sandstein   07:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.