Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Good Girl


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:23, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

A Good Girl

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Fails WP:NALBUM Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 09:45, 27 October 2019 (UTC) Please also take a look at Ralph (EP) as I believe this also fails WP:NALBUM. Thanks, Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 09:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC) ลบ


 * Question and Leaning keep - What's the policy on notability for music albums? Certainly there does not need to be WP:SIGCOV, no? I'll lean keep out of caution here, but may be persuaded (perhaps easily) to change my !vote and rationale. --Doug Mehus (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It's got coverage in Vice, a media organization, here and a MusicBrainz authority record


 * Both sources are about the artist not the album, which is being discussed here. Thanks, Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 19:43, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll defer to you here. Like I said, I'm only leaning keep, somewhat, on grounds of WP:IAR in that how else are struggling artists supposed to promote themselves? I kind of would prefer that we focus our AfD efforts on non-notable organizations, government institutions, and corporations which plague Wikipedia than on audio or video albums. But, I take your point. If consensus is to delete, I'm fine with that with the proviso that WP:REFUND apply such that the article can be undeleted and draftified. Doug Mehus (talk) 01:28, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 18:42, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if and when there's a stronger notability claim and better sourcing for it. Wikipedia does not exist as a PR venue to help emerging artists promote themselves — we're an encyclopedia on which making it comes first and then the Wikipedia article follows, not vice versa. Accordingly, albums do need to have significant coverage about the album before they qualify for their own standalone articles separately from already being named in the artist's discography. But more than half of the references here are primary sources which are not support for notability at all (an album is not automatically notable just because you metareference its existence to its availability on iTunes or its entry in an indiscriminate music directory) — and of the four that are actually real media, none of them are actually about the album. Albums are not automatically notable enough for articles just because they exist, but this is not the kind of sourcing that it takes to get them over the bar. Bearcat (talk) 16:48, 6 November 2019 (UTC)


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