Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A HISTORY OF THE AFRICAN-OLMECS: BLACK CIVILIZATIONS OF AMERICA FROM PREHISTORIC TIMES TO THE PRESENT ERA

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The result of the debate was delete. Sasquatch &#08596;&#35762;&#08596;&#30475; 05:34, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

A HISTORY OF THE AFRICAN-OLMECS: BLACK CIVILIZATIONS OF AMERICA FROM PREHISTORIC TIMES TO THE PRESENT ERA
if an article is to be written on this topic, it has to conform to other Wikipedia articles. Phoenix2 03:24, July 21, 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete this article seems a possible copyvio t me, but I couldn't find the source, it's extremely pov, and I think it's a joke. I'm mexican and never heard of "african-olmecs". drini &#9742; 04:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * besides, all the refernces to "Barton" are just to a group of webpages created by a single person, probably the creator of this entry. no real references given. drini &#9742; 04:15, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment I have heard that Olmecs were Africans. I am convinced there was some African presence in the Americas before Columbus. Perhaps it is notable enough to have an article? Of course this may need a serious rewrite and cleanup. here is a site I found that offers an interesting view: http://members.aol.com/carltred/AfricanPresence.htm Revolución 05:06, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, cleanup, rewrite, rename, and expand Redirect to Pre-Columbian African presence in the Americas. Revolución 05:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This is the title of a book by Paul Alfred Barton, thus the references to Barton. If the title were lower-cased and the article made to be a discussion of the Barton book, then I vote keep.  The idea of African-Olmecs is not a new idea, the stone heads of the ancient Olmecs have been described by many as appearing (at least to them) as having African features, and a Google search for "african olmecs" returns 218 unique hits.  John Barleycorn 05:20, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think this article has a potential to become an excellent article about the African presence in the Americas. I don't think it should only be about this book. Revolución 05:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a title like African presence in the Americas, African presence in the Americas before Columbus, Pre-Columbian African presence in the Americas, History of Africans in the Americas, African exploration of the Americas. Tell me which title sounds best. Revolución 05:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unsourced, unreferenced, possible copyvio. JamesBurns 09:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete' this, but the hypothesis is notable as pseudo-history supported by a lot of wishful thinking, and I may reconsider the vote if the article is completely rewritten to reflect this and moved to a different title. Uppland 12:01, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unsourced, completely from an Afrocentrism POV, looks like a copyvio of a book review, from a source favorable to the author. DES 17:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unsourced, but seems not to be a copyvio... Also, POV and all things said above. --Neigel von Teighen 17:19, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Looks dodgy, as above. William M. Connolley 22:58:57, 2005-07-21 (UTC).
 * Whilst I am logged-in, has anyone considered asking the author what hisr sources are, before condemning himr ?--SockpuppetSamuelson 07:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It is, I presume, a copyvio from this book. Not having it available, I can't be sure however. -Splash 18:07, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete not against having articles on controversial books, but this is hopelessly POV. One point sticks out, what do they mean by "Afroid"?  Ultimately we are all Afroids.  PatGallacher 00:00, 2005 July 24 (UTC)
 * Delete, on the above grounds. IINAG 19:56, July 25, 2005 (GMT)
 * Delete baseless --218.41.113.27 13:01, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, total POVism
 * Quick Delete - for reasons stated above -- The Time Killer
 * Delete, advertisement. This article promotes this website which promotes this book written by the owner of that website, which repeats the Montalvano myth of "Calafia, Black Queen of the Baja" as true despite that it's known to be 15th century fantasy literature.  Cite: [], amoung several thousand others - Mantalvano's works were 15th century Spanish fantasy literature, on a par with Orlando Furioso which came out around that same time.  Delete, it is advertisement, original research, and pseudohistory.  If it must be saved, the author should re-post it to wikiinfo.


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