Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A History of Designer Makers

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Deleted by author. Golbez 03:49, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

A History of Designer Makers and The History of Designer Makers
Not an encyclopedia article, but a (conference?) paper. Copyright status unclear. Delete or move to Wikisource if copyright is OK -- Chris 73 Talk 08:39, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Personal essay. Author (Helpfully listed above in the VFD list) has been posting vanity a good deal today. Didn't even take his byline off this one. Delete.  Trylobyte 10:42, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

I am new to this today. I dont understand how this article can be described as "Vanity" and is likely to be deleted ? It is a well considered, articulate, informative, factually correct and unique ! I am a professional writer and published author ! Please advise. I have tried getting in touch with an adminstrator.

I improved the first article called "The History of Designer Makers" by changing its name to "A History of Designer Makers" assuming I could start afresh. What is a "byline".

There is a rather patronising implication that I am deliberately breaking the rules which is not the case. I am a respected practitioner in my field. I am merely attempting to expand the knowledge base of this amazing website so please do not be so quick to jump to criticism and kindly explain to me why you consider my article is "Vanity". It is repreentatative of what is going on in my professional field TODAY based on a long and important tradition.


 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 11:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. Worthy topic that could be a good article on Wikipedia. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:11, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, and merge both articles. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:29, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Zzyzx11 (Talk) 11:26, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I apologize. There are a lot of people with anonymous IP addresses that come to Wikipedia and claim to be an expert, or impersonate someone else. Because you have not created an account, we cannot be sure that you are the real Jeremy Broun or an imposter. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:32, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Come on now. Let's remember to assume good faith here, at least.  Jeremy Broun is a real person and can reasonably be called an expert on the fields of furniture and woodworking, but do you really think he's the sort of person that people would impersonate online?!?  That's a real long shot, there.  And to what end would this supposed impersonation be carried out?  This isn't exactly a super-controversial topic here.  To assume that a user is an imposter [of Jeremy Braun!] without the slightest shred of proof is against the very spirit of Wikipedia! Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  14:52, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have been overreacting since I have been burned by many vandals damaging my talk pages in the last 24 hours.  Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:11, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

I am staggered by these remarks ! No I do not know what a "byline" is and yes I am a well known International author - one of my books "The Encyclopedia of Woodworking Techniques" is published in several languages including "USA English". Check out what "Starblind" has said about my entry at Jeremy Broun and my reputation.

If I am accused of "self promotion" of course through this knowledge base I am hoping to promote my proessional field which is neglected in Popular culture. Why is there this immediate level of aggressiveness ?!! My article is a historical document NOT a piece of propaganda or commercial advertizing. There has been very little written so far about the British Crafts Revival and you are fortunate that i am sharing this knowledge with you !


 * If you would like to contribute articles, please follow our Manual of Style. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:21, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Sat 7 May - from Jeremy Broun (UK). I have learned a lot today and obviously I am a little naive as the above comments about imposters and vandals caught me totally by surprise. My aplogies for not registering/logging in. My only excuse is that I am a member of a dynamic UK WIKKI site (a forum for UK furniture makers) and we all edit freely, but having said that we are given a password. I was obviously too enthusiastic to submit my entry and two articles. I am sorry to have created such a stir when my intention was to add to this amazing knowledge bases which I came across by accident. I am the real Jeremy Broun if you care to enter my name in Google you will find numerous pages connected with my work. I am primarily an educator and if I promote myself in the process it is because I have learned it is necessary ! I do not participate in "Vanity" publishing but write objectively about a variety of topics.

Might I suggest you delete the first article "The History of Designer Makers" and allow "A History of Furniture Makers" to stand. I would like to add to the article something about the English Cotswold School of Designer Makers in the 20th Century which I had missed out.


 * I apologise if we gave a rude introduction here. You see because Wikipedia is popular free-content encyclopedia that anyone can edit, we are a target of vandals and imposters, either added nonsense to existing articles, or making up rubbish articles. Every day, new cases are added to our list of Vandalism in progress. So it sometimes gets many editors, including me, on extra, extra alert. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 19:30, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

My apology also. Of course I should have read your guidelines first and I fully appreciate the need to check authenticity. Sadly this wonderful tool called the Internet is abused. I have now registered and therefore hope that any contributions I make are accepted wihout raising the alarm. Jeremy Broun.(It does take a lomg time to digest the extent of the protocol !)I have also re-edited my article called "Furniture Today" and trust that is now acceptable.


 * Delete, unless a huge cleanup is done to make an encyclopedia article from this rhetorics. In the current state it is useless. Aslo the title is too broad. Does the article cover designer makers of jewelry? Also it looks like original research, disallowed in wikipedia. References are required. Mikkalai 20:46, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment. So, I'm wondering who would ever enter "The[A] History of Designer Makers" into the WP searchbox. OK, right, I don't like the pagename for openers. And if I should stumble across this article I wouldn't know what to make of it. It doesn't look or read like an encyclopedia article but rather a page from a book about an obscure something that doesn't fit in here (and I really do like Random page). There may be good information here but it is so poorly formatted that it is almost unreadable. Perhaps a massive rewrite and a more logical pagename would get my vote to keep. hydnjo talk 01:33, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

From Jeremy Broun - in view of the last comment (by "Hydnjo") I have withdrawn my article. The article was originally written last week for a British Furniture Designer Makers Internet Forum after time consuming research and was entusiastically received. The title obviously refers to Furniture not Jewelry or other crafts because it was sited on a Furniture Design listing. I am not prepared to have my professional writing abused in such a Phillistine way when I submitted it in good faith to help broaden this knowledge base on my subject. I have made several changes to my article in my attempt to conform to your "rules" but it is just inviting further insult. Perhaps it would be a good idea to highlight and summarise the key rules for any new subscriber as it was misleading to me that this is a freely editable website as obviously the rules are extensive. 8 May2005.


 * Now that the author has blanked the pages, they should be speedy deleted, shouldn't they? --Angr/comhrá 08:32, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
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