Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A K M Abdul Awal Mazumder


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The result was delete. The clarification of the role led to many keeps being withdrawn and the weakness in the sourcing has not been overcome. Spartaz Humbug! 21:38, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

A K M Abdul Awal Mazumder

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The article is extremely promotional with poor sources. The largest number of citations is to a website of a book publisher. It also uses the Bengali language wiki as a source. From the content and citations used it appears the subject does not meet GNG or the notability requirements for writers. This also appears to have copied sections from his official CV.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 05:26, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 05:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 05:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:40, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep (per WP:POLITICIAN) as he was a National level civil servant for seven years, served as the Secretary for the Ministry of Education and deputy secretary for the Ministry of Science and Technology in Bangladesh. The article is unduly weighted to the fact he then went into the private sector to run large companies and universities. It could use some improvements. Prince of Thieves (talk) 13:51, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment, have removed peacocky words from the article which has way too much details, the majority of it unsourced, so a lot more work needs to be done (probably remove at least half), agree with that Mazumder should be a keep as having held senior government positions, although some more citations to these would be nice. Coolabahapple (talk) 20:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment- how does he met WP:POLITICIAN, he was not elected to any post but was a bureaucrat. The head of a Ministry is the Minister. He clearly does not meet GNG.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 05:23, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete you have to be the head of a ministry to make you notable default for that position. Maybe if you are a top ranking deputy minister. However the secretary of a ministry is not a notable politician, but a background functionary. So there is no default notability there. The sourcing is wweak and does not show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:26, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * In my view the posts are roughly equal to United States Deputy Secretary of Energy and United States Deputy Secretary of Education. If that does not meet WP:POLITICIAN #1 - "Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature." Then this would have to be a delete for lack of sources and WP:PROMO issues. Prince of Thieves (talk) 10:14, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * A Deputy Secretary post would equal either deputy minister or State Minister. United States Deputy Secretary of Energy is a political appointment while he is a career bureaucrat.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 16:40, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * So how do you define a bureaucrat from a politician? Prince of Thieves (talk) 16:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * As a bureaucrat (civil service officer) he would have joined the Bangladesh Civil Service as an officer after an entrance examination. He would reach the rank of secretary through promotions and after years of working in the civil service. A politician (minister/State Minister) is appointed by the Prime Minister, the Head of government, to oversee the ministry.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 17:41, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * What confused me is that both people are operating in the higher levels of government at a similar level, but I can see the distinction, !vote struck above. Prince of Thieves (talk) 17:49, 6 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment, having read the above, i too have struck out my "keep", thanks to the more experienced editors for their succinct explanations/reasoning. Coolabahapple (talk) 19:11, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I cannot find sources that meet AUTHOR or POLITICIAN  or WP:BASIC.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Keep . This is a tough call. He is an important person. However, he doesn't seem to meet WP:AUTHOR, WP:NPOL won't apply. He appeared in many important roles. But, we don't have a clear WP:Bureaucrat. WP:ANYBIO is debatable. Sources aren't scarce, but not overwhelming either. So, may be, we can keep it! -- nafSadh  did say 22:40, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


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