Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Likely Story (1973 film)


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  23:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

A Likely Story (1973 film)

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Article about a film, not reliably sourced as passing WP:NFILM. According to the article this film was never commercially released at all, and was only ever actually exhibited at film industry markets, which means that the only notability claim on offer here is that the film was made -- but our inclusion criteria for films don't extend an automatic inclusion freebie to every film that has an IMDb page, and instead require things like notable film awards and/or significant critical attention being paid to the film by professional film critics in real media. The only reference here, further, is to a short video clip in which the cinematographer is talking about his own career in the first person, which is not an independent source for the purposes of helping to establish a film's notability. I additionally cannot verify this article's claim that the film was a Canadian production; even the IMDb entry tags it as Ireland/United States, not Canada, and it isn't listed in Gerald Pratley's A Century of Canadian Cinema as either "A Likely Story" (its title according to this article) or "Horowitz in Dublin" (its title according to IMDb). Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt the film from having to have a much stronger notability claim than just existing as an unreleased footnote in people's careers, and much better referencing than just a Q&A interview with its own cinematographer. Bearcat (talk) 18:15, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we're gonna be keeping this one. You're right that it may not, in fact, be a Canadian production, but an Irish/US one. That should be corrected or clarified. Notability is clear, "freebie" is a silly comment. Oscar-winning DP and three major actors. I've found a record of a VHS release in Brazil and a DVD release in "Taiwan". Obvious keep. DublinDilettante (talk) 21:17, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Films are not automatically notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because their cinematographers won awards for different films than this one, or because of who was in the film's cast. Notability hinges on evidence of significance, such as people being nominated for or winning awards for their work on this film, and cannot be established without reliable source coverage and analysis about the film in media. Bearcat (talk) 17:14, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:15, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:15, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:15, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:15, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: One unreliable (user edited) source that says nothing about the film only about it's cinematographer. I could not find even one reliable source to signify this film is notable in any way. You need to do much better to keep this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ww2censor (talk • contribs) 22:24, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment; Personally I don't have enough information to make a recommendation one way or the other (yet), but I wonder if the search for sources is complicated by the fact that this film seems to have been known or released under at least four different titles. (My own WP:BEFORE search has thrown up titles "A Likely Story", "The Dublin Murders", "Horowitz in Dublin", "Horowitz of Dublin Castle" and "La Huella Del Crimen" (Spanish dubbed version), which all relate to different releases or showings or versions of the same film.) I'll take another look, but I'm not sure this is entirely cut-and-dried (in either direction). Guliolopez (talk) 13:32, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete not even all films that were commercially released are notable. One that was never released commerically and never accepted by a commercial distributor is not notable. My general sense is that we have been way to lax in applying notability standards to films and have a huge number of articles on films that there is not adequate sourcing on to show they are notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - as per the others, it may have been made, but it wasn't released, so we would need to have something to show its notability. Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:54, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


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