Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Lion in the Meadow


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Rollidan (talk) 03:19, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

A Lion in the Meadow

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This book has not received sufficient coverage or been credited with sufficient influence to satisfy WP:NBOOK. Noahe123 (talk) 22:20, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:47, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:47, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is just a stub of an article but the book won the major children's book award in New Zealand. The author is so well known for her children's books that she has an award, the Margaret Mahy Award, named after her. The article was nominated for deletion by the editor who created it then rescued it from speedy deletion, so I am quite confused here. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:15, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Mahy doesn't quite meet NBOOK criteria 5 but she's closer to meeting that than this book not being notable. A republish 20 years later alone should indicate notability. Coverage of the book includes [doi:10.1353/uni.2015.0019 Article] examining the book's use of animals, a 1970 review, and an examination of the New Zealand influences in the book. I would suggest these kinds of sources, two of which skew towards academic examination of the work, strongly suggests notability. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll add that the Google Scholar search provides other evidence of notability (and should have turned up evidence of such during a WP:BEFORE. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:35, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, but (note: the following is not (quite:)) exhaustive), winner of 2002 HCAA (and nominated twice before), the "Nobel Prize for children's literature", multiple winner of Carnegie Medal (1982, 1984), Esther Glen Award (1970, 1973, 1983, 1985, 1993, 2001), New Zealand Children's Book Awards (Children's Book of the Year award - 1999, 2011; Picture Book category - 1999, 2011; Junior Fiction category - 1993; Senior fiction category - 2003; and Honour Award - 2000, 2001, 2006, 2010), Phoenix Award (2005, 2007), winner of: Boston Globe–Horn Book Award (2009), Sir Julius Vogel Award for services to science fiction and fantasy (2006), Prime Minister's Awards for Literary Achievement for fiction (2005), named an Icon artist in 2005, granted honorary doctorates from University of Canterbury in 1993 and University of Waikato in 2005, received the Order of New Zealand (the highest honour in New Zealand's royal honours system and restricted to a maximum of 20 living members) in 1993, and a NZ literary award - Margaret Mahy Award being named after her, probably does mean that Mahy meets no. 5 of WP:NBOOK. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , well we can argue about whether Mahy inherently meets NBOOK 5 or not (I would want some verifiable evidence that she has been studied in such a way rather than presuming it) but I think we're in complete agreement this book is hugely and clearly notable and that Mahy herself is a landmark figure in children's literature. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:23, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed (if, for example, she was from the USA it would probably be a slam dunk ie. units/courses studying her literary style, storytelling techniques and so on), thanks, oh, and i forgot to include this from the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography that summarises her nicely: "Margaret Mahy is New Zealand’s most celebrated writer for children and young adults." and concludes with "Literary critics, however, acknowledge her as a ground-breaking young adult novelist and one of New Zealand’s greatest writers, equal in imaginative power and achievement to Katherine Mansfield and Janet Frame." Coolabahapple (talk) 14:40, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , I think some of it reflects the stature of children's literature and not just Mahy being a Kiwi. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:51, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:NBOOK, due to what i said above and also winning a major book award. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:19, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * also chosen as one of five Mahy' books to appear on NZ postage stamps - see here. Coolabahapple (talk) 17:27, 1 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep, The book has won at least one major award. Although more information about the story itself is needed to be added to the article but it doesn't deserve deletion. Alex-h (talk) 08:56, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: per all the above - in particular this title won top national award. Pam  D  09:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


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