Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Million Miles Away (Rihanna song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to A Girl like Me (Rihanna album). The history is still here if anyone wishes to merge anything. Michig (talk) 13:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

A Million Miles Away (Rihanna song)

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Previous AfD of 20 Rihanna song articles was closed as keep with no prejudice against individual nominations.

There are major NSONGS and GNG problems here. The sources here include album liner notes and iTunes listings (primary sources) and album reviews. The problem with non-primary sources exclusively being album reviews are that they are not significant coverage - they are passing mentions of the song in articles that are primarily about the parent album. NSONGS states, "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability. If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created."

This song charted at #38 in Spain, and while ranking on a national music chart is listed at NSONG as a factor that "suggest[s] that a song or single may be notable", "a standalone article should still satisfy the aforementioned criteria" of "be[ing] the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label."

All of you participated in the previous AfD and are invited back for this one. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:40, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk to me  02:42, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 03:15, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to A Girl like Me (Rihanna album) as there is not sufficient coverage to warrant a separate article per WP:NSONGS.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 04:59, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to parent album: I don't understand how any song not released as a single but only on an album would ever manage to pass NSONGS as it currently stands, but it's a moot issue in this case, as I could not find any substantial coverage of this song in any sources.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 05:40, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Just a comment, single release ≠ notability, and non-single release ≠ lack of notability.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 05:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't accept that distinction, but this is not the place to bring up the issue.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 05:54, 15 November 2014 (UTC) Nevermind, I realized that I totally agree with you. I'm too tired, up to late, should go to bed.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 05:57, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to parent album – A favorite song of mine from A Girl Like Me but alas, it fails WP:GNG. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat ] 07:00, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to parent album: fails to meet WP:NSONGS, or even come close to being notable by WP:GNG: none of the four reviews spend more than a partial sentence on the song in the course of discussing the album. I'm surprised this was listed as a GA; the first paragraph of the Recording and composition section is a prose rendering of the Credits and personnel section, and I don't see how the article is "broad in its coverage", a GA requirement. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:07, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I think there's an issue with the GA process for this and similar articles. I've dropped a note on the GA talkpage so more users are aware of this. If I was pushed for K/D/R, I'd say keep based on WP:GNG. That's if I was pushed. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:08, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I certainly think that there was a failure of the GA process here.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 15:29, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to parent album - Of course it fails, as there are no sufficient coverage other than sources leading to album reviews and other facts; no way would this have passed GA review with relying upon a single type of source. IPadPerson (talk) 15:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to parent album or delete I learned about this discussion by the notice on the GA directory Talk page. I read the article and entire GA review, and checked each of the sources. There are not very many sources and those that are present don't provide much reference to this song, leading to my decision. I agree with the lack of notability. However, I can see how this passed GA and I do believe it (barely) met GA criteria, so I don't believe there is a failure of the GA process. Did you know that notability is not mentioned on Good article criteria? I have just raised that as an issue on the Good article criteria Talk page. Note: I will ensure this article's entry is removed from the GA directory if consensus decides to delete or redirect. Prhartcom (talk) 23:59, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect Delete - On the condition that members of the Rihanna Wikiproject are permitted to merge the content of this song article into a pre-existing or new sub section of the parent album prior to the article being replaced with a redirect link to the album article. I.E., giving us time to extract the relevant points easily and quickly. This article does technically pass GNG, NSONGS and GAN for that matter, but I accept as the creator and writer of the article and the person who nominated it for GA status that it may not be as detailed or long enough to satisfy some editors, which is why I am voting redirect. Once again,, I would like to point out that it is an irrelevant point to make that it only charted at number 38 in Spain. Spain has a national singles chart and is just as important, valid and reliable as any other nations singles charts. It doesn't matter which nations singles chart, or what position, a chart is a chart. —  ₳aron  10:20, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * , I'd recommend adding the content of these pages to a sub-page of your user page, in order to preserve it for merging into the appropriate album articles.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 17:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've done that. I change my vote then; there's no point in it taking up Wikipedia space as a redirect. —  ₳aron  09:40, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect per everyone above - No evidence of any notability. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  16:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the parent album. — Tomíca (T2ME) 22:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.