Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Nonpartisan Message from Governor Sarah Palin & Senator Hillary Clinton


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Parodies of Sarah Palin. Merge, content is under the re-direct for someone to perform the merge. There is no consensus to delete. TravellingCari 23:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

A Nonpartisan Message from Governor Sarah Palin & Senator Hillary Clinton
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Sketch insufficiently notable  $\sim$ Justmeherenow     05:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC) WP:NOT  $\sim$ Justmeherenow     06:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok. WP:NOT says, quote, "Routine news coverage of such things as announcements, sports, and tabloid journalism are not sufficient basis for an article. Even when an event is notable, individuals involved in it may not be. Unless news coverage of an individual goes beyond the context of a single event, our coverage of that individual should be limited to the article about that event, in proportion to their importance to the overall topic." End Quote. This article cannot be classified as a sports announcement or tabloid story and the individuals involved include notable entertainers spoofing notable politicians. This entertainment sketch hardly counts as a news report, no?-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 07:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Or merge. Whereas articles about each and every Tina Fey-as-Sarah Palin sketch are a bit "newsy," the content of this article could reasonably be included in the WP bio of Fey...or even an article concerning Saturday Night Live 2008 election spoofs in general. $\sim$ Justmeherenow     07:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - it is a comedy routine, and those are legitimate subject matter for the encyclopedia. Clearly notable - the article already has quite a number of major mentions in independent reliable sources.  How many routines do we have from Saturday Night Live alone?  More cowbell, Lazy Sunday, [Happy Fun Ball], Larry the Lobster (Saturday Night Live sketch).  The point isn't to show they exist, but that it's well accepted that if comedy sketches have sufficient coverage they can be the subject of encyclopedic treatment here.  If it fits well into a "list of" article it can be merged too, but deletion would be silly.  Wikidemon (talk) 07:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.   —  $\sim$ Justmeherenow     08:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In that case, Keep or Merge with something like Parodies of Sarah Palin.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 09:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per Wikidemon. Cosmic Latte (talk) 15:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Parodies of Sarah Palin. Cosmic Latte (talk) 17:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Tina Fey. A funny and very timely sketch, but so dated that it's unlikely to be a classic.  Sure, it gets reported in the news, but so do Jay Leno's and David Letterman's jokes about the candidates.  We'll know in about 8 days whether we'll be seeing any more of Tina Fey as Sarah Palin.  Who doesn't remember Jon Lovitz's dead-on impression of Michael Dukakis?  A lot of people, I'm sure.  Mandsford (talk) 16:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete If the episode itself isn't notable enough to get its own page, then neither is a sketch that appears from it. IRK! Leave me a note or two 17:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep it's notable, and it's part of an ongoing event, not just a single news story. It might be appropriate as part of a larger article dealing with Fey and Pallin, but until that article exists, leave it alone. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Parodies of Sarah Palin, an article that would benefit from some of the background information found here. Powers T 18:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete We aren't going to become a directory for every SNL skit. Yes, it's popular now, but 2 weeks after the election it'll be forgotten, regardless of who wins. --Bachrach44 (talk) 18:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Wikipedia notability policy states that notability does not expire. The sketch and its sequels have become notable via media coverage now, therefore they will always be notable. 23skidoo (talk) 18:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment That's very slanted towards including irrelevant cultural mems from the Internet age over irrelevant cultural memes from the pre-internet days. --Bachrach44 (talk) 17:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, notability requires a consideration of the "historical notability" of an event. Tina Fey's dead-on impersonation of Sarah Palin has made her appearances the toast of the town, as noted in the article about the comedienne.  But the sketch?  I'm not sure that anyone can repeat any of the lines.  It's not exactly Knights who say Ni.  If it's any consolation, it will live on in YouTube, if not on Wikipedia. Mandsford (talk) 00:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Keep or Merge The original sketch, aswell as the follow up sketches, have been given much coverage by the media. It is part of an ongoing event, and it has became a somewhat 'popular' part of the election. If the article isn't to be kept, merge it into a "Saturday Night Live parodies of Sarah Palin" article about all 5 sketches. -- [User] Jamie JCA [Talk] 18:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge all of the SNL Sarah Palin sketches into one article or into the Parodies article. The nominator must have missed all the CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and AP coverage this and the other sketches have received. They most certainly are notable under every criteria WIkipedia has. HOWEVER I feel they should be combined into one article, either under an overall Parodies of Sarah Palin, or as a single Saturday Night Live parodies of Sarah Palin article. No question of notability in my mind, but there are more efficient ways to present them here. 23skidoo (talk) 18:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge combining the SNL sketches seems to be a good idea. I don'tsee the point of combining with other parodies, since we often do have articles on their sketches & it would break the pattern/. DGG (talk) 03:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge I'm not sure how best to do it but some sort of combined article would be better than treating this separately.Bonfire of vanities (talk) 04:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I can merge Russia from my house! - merge all of this stuff into Parodies of Sarah Palin. Every two-bit comic with brown hair and granny glasses doesn't need her own article and not every sketch from SNL needs its own article. An excellent article could be written discussing the impersonations, sourced material about the comics, reaction from the Palin campaign, media speculation about the posible backlash that may result if people think Palin's getting too picked on, etc. Otto4711 (talk) 11:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to somewhere. Anywhere. McWomble (talk) 13:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Parodies of Sarah Palin. Unlike Larry the Lobster, this article relates to a similar line of comedy sketches and should be merged into such. IRK! Leave me a note or two 17:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Parodies of Sarah Palin, if other editors are adamant about giving Ms. Palin and these parodies another entry in Wikipedia. Even that category, IMO, is questionable. Musiclover (talk) 20:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


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