Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Piece of the Action (Robot Chicken episode)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Editors can feel free to redirect as appropriate. Cirt (talk) 09:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

A Piece of the Action (Robot Chicken episode)

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I usually prefer to merge/redirect subpar episode articles to keep the page histories around for theoretical future improvements, but the Robot Chicken articles are just bad (WP:N, WP:NOT combined with WP:LISTCRUFT), and I see no potential whatsoever. For "A Piece of the Action", I found nothing reliable on the first two Google pages, and not a single hit on Google News/Scholar/Books. I nominate this episode article as a test to see where consensus goes, and intend to merge/redirect/AfD/do_nothing_with the remaining RC episode articles accordingly. – sgeureka t•c 19:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Whether the current article is good or bad is besides the point. The only relevant question is whether the subject deserves an encyclopedia entry, and like any other widely watched movie or best selling book, the answer here is yes. The article itself should and will be improved with time. Owen&times; &#9742;  20:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This episode is neither a widely watched movie nor a best selling book, so your comparison is lacking. What do you want to use to improve the article when no reliable sources exist (as seems to be the case)? – sgeureka t•c 20:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * On the contrary; more people watch this TV series than read the books on the top of the bestselling books list. The comparison is conservative, if anything. Owen&times; &#9742;  23:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So you'd argue the October 10, 2008 issue of the New York Times should get an article because The New York Times has a circulation of a million? Sorry, that's not how notability works on wikipedia. – sgeureka t•c 15:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sgeureka, there's no reason to get snotty. I've been here at least as long as you have, and probably closed as many AfDs as you have participated in. We both know WP:N inside and out, and the popularity, longevity and number of cultural references to a mainstream media work does imply notability. Robot Chicken episodes will be rerun in syndication for years to come, and episodes and themes in them are already being references by other works (e.g., Family Guy). While this specific episode may not have the enduring importance of The Satanic Verses or Fahrenheit 9/11, it is a well-known staple of our culture. I don't think having a separate article is unreasonable. Owen&times; &#9742;  17:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize if I came across as snotty; that was not my intention. So will you please point me to the "significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" (nutshell of WP:N) for "A Piece of the Action" so that we're no longer running in circles? Because, as I already stated in the nom, I was unable to find any. – sgeureka t•c 17:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough; without much effort I was able to find one on IMDB's Alien vs. Predator article. A quick search returns numerous other references for that Alien vs. Predator chess match, but I don't have the time to sift through the bulletin boards and blogs to find the reliable secondary sources, nor to go through the other bits in that episode. There are 60 episode articles here, and it will take time until all are properly referenced. Merging them all into one article will kill this effort. Owen&times; &#9742;  18:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As you likely know, IMDb is not a reliable source and can't be used for anything other than cast lists (the rest is user-generated). Plus, if I read this particular IMDB page correctly, "A Piece of the Action" spoofed "Alien vs. Predator", a sign that Alien vs. Predator is notable, not the other way around. As this AfD concerns only one episode, interested RC editors just need to demonstrate the notability of "A Piece of the Action" at this time. The notability of the other 60 RC episodes is a question for later, after this AfD. – sgeureka t•c 18:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete — Aside from the the WP:IDONTLIKEIT tone of the nom, article fails Wikipedia is not for plot summaries. There also exist no verifiable sources establishing why this episode may be notable. MuZemike  ( talk ) 20:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and set Redirect to Robot Chicken. There is no special notability outside the series or that universe.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - The episodes does not establish notability and it is very unlikely that it ever will amount to anything. TTN (talk) 20:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge into an episode list. I can't speak for all the RC episodes, but I can't find any RS for any of this episode, but I can for the season.  Hobit (talk) 17:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  17:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If TTN is calling for it to be deleted, it must be completely worthless. Delete. Stifle (talk) 07:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


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