Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Seaside Rendezvous


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The result was   keep, without prejudice against a merge should local consensus so decide. Skomorokh 00:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

A Seaside Rendezvous

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Per WP:MUSIC, I don't see that individual gigs are ever considered notable enough for seperate articles. Notable content could easily be merged to Muse (band) or The Resistance (album) if deemed necessary. Only been covered in any exceptional way by the BBC. U-Mos (talk) 19:37, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's far from true! It has been covered in the media by many newspapers, magazines, etc., and it is notable in itself anyway. There is quite a lot of information available and it can be expanded further. Check the individual reviews! Andre666 (talk) 20:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Merge with The Resistance Tour: At first blush this looks like it might meet notability requirements. The references are good generally, though regional sources such as Western Morning News should only be used for information content and not notability and tweets are discouraged in general. But if you look at the articles in detail it falls apart. The Telegraph is mainly reviewing the music and the performance and commenting on the local boys make good angle. The same article, more or less, would have been written if the concert was in London or Manchester. Similarly for The Guardian's review which also talks about the upcoming tour and album. There have been some notable tours and more notable albums, but for individual concerts you better be talking about Woodstock or Live Aid.--RDBury (talk) 01:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Changing to Merge having learned of the existence of the second article.--RDBury (talk) 11:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Keep Definitely keep - I normally don't bother to input on issues like this but when I saw this page was nominated I was both shocked and confused. Muse are an extremely notable band and these two gigs together were a very big deal and covered widely be the media. The references are accurate and many too so what is the problem? It is an article people will want to read and get a lot of use out of - that surely is the main priority in creating an article and it has been covered well. Officially Mr X (talk) 15:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as notability is concerned, nothing sourced is worth anything. After all, most gigs from notable bands would be covered locally and in music publications and music coverage in newspapers. As mentioned above, the only argument I can see for its notability is the level of coverage given to the gigs by the BBC, and Radio 1 in particular (which includes the documentary due to be broadcast this coming Friday on BBC3). However, I personally do not think that, al coming from one broadcaster, is enough to establish notability. U-Mos (talk) 17:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Keep. Mostly for the reasons as stated above, the two gigs got a shitload of coverage not only from BBC but general magazines before the project went into fruition. Wiki is supposed to be source for information, and the Teignmouth gigs are one of the big staples of what Muse did for the fan community and for themselves, one of their bigger projects which took quite some time to establish. I don't see any reason as to why articles about tours, especially this one, should be deleted. Carbo45 (talk) 10:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not an article about a tour, it's about a single event. If it was about a tour then it probably wouldn't be an issue. My suggestion is to first rename the article to something like "Muse 2009 tour", then refocus it to be about the tour and remove some the extraneous detail about the individual concert. Use an established tour article like Rolling Stones Tour of the Americas '75 as a pattern. Most importantly, if it's getting so much coverage on the BBC then put links to it in the article. The BBC is a highly regarded source and a few verifiable cites from will go a long way to establish credibility. I'll even give you one to get started: . I have nothing against The Muse, but this an encyclopedia, not a blog about the awesome concert someone saw last night.--RDBury (talk) 21:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In which there is already an article on The Resistance Tour. Which I also nominated for deletion, but depending on how both discussions go it may be worth a merge. U-Mos (talk) 08:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I could agree with that but then I'd suggest renaming it to Muse 2009 Tour or something like that. A Seaside Rendezvous isn't something that could largely be considered a part of The Resistance Tour. Some people like to call it that but it hasn't even kicked off yet, ASR was more of a tribute type of gig, Muse are still to support U2 before they go off on their own again, which could also be added into a 2009 Tour article along with the VMA Awards gig. Carbo45 (talk) 15:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


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