Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Stab in the Dark (Play)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 00:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

A Stab in the Dark (Play)

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Non-notable play, article even indicates that it's a 'fringe' production. Prod tag was removed through inproper use of the undo function, and no reason was given to keep. -- MisterHand  (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 00:24, 9 February 2008 (UTC) Keep This article has been unfairly targeted for deletion. The cited links clearly establish notability. It may have been premature, but it certainly deserves to stay. Capitals should go, and poster image or cast images could be added.(129.96.130.236 (talk) 01:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC))
 * Delete - makes no assertion of notability. Not sure how I feel about "The first production was performed in Adelaide, South Australia, in February - March 2008," either - is this article about a play that's never even been seen by an audience?  --Hyperbole (talk) 00:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. One external link shows rudimentary local press coverage of the production, but not of the kind that indicates notability. –Henning Makholm 00:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete This is definitely not notable. MalwareSmarts (talk) 02:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep, I don't think that "fringe" means what you think it means in this context. It was performed at the Adelaide Fringe Festival, which is Australia's largest arts festival.  I would imagine appearing at such a festival would be at least some indicator of notability.  Lankiveil (complaints 04:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC).
 * From the article on the festival: "To be part of the Adelaide Fringe Festival, all one needs to do is register by the cutoff date which changes of a yearly basis." Basically, it's open to all comers. Plus, the article also indicates that the festival doesn't start until February 16, which means that this play hasn't been performed yet (as indicated by Hyperbole above). -- MisterHand  (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 13:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not notable on a national level. Snowfire51 (talk) 05:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This page seems very rough. I am not sure that (Play) should be in its title, as that is self-evident. Likewise, the links to Clue, Murder by Death, And Then There Were None and so on do not work. (I am not a regular Wiki user myself, nor computer literate, so found I could not fix them - sorry, I am old). The play is notable, however. The Adelaide Fringe Festival is a very significant arts festival in Australia - as the wikipedia article on it indicates - and not to be dismissed. Also, the show appears to have been commissioned by a venue with a State government grant (according to the linked article), so it would be of a higher notability than the bulk of the festival. Venues are highly sought after in the fringe. I am slightly biased as I am an Adelaide resident, retired director and theatre goer - though I have no direct link to this production - but I would suggest the editors tidy the article, add the poster image, link it to the related Adelaide Fringe article and give it some time to develop with reviews, production images and so on rather than delete it off-hand. In general, I think new theatre is undervalued and I'd like to see more articles related to the Adelaide theatre scene.(123.2.53.91 (talk) 08:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC))
 * Note: I found this comment on the articles talk page, and thought it would be appropriate to copy it here. -- MisterHand  (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 14:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * To be part of the fringe festival all one has to do is register, but to be part of a show in a major venue you have to be selected. I think people in Adelaide would be hurt to think that a show launched in Adelaide is "not notable on a national level." Wikipedia supports theatre launched in other states and countries, and there are numerous articles on films currently in development.(Moviefreak26 (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC))
 * Are you able to demonstrate notability outside of Adelaide? Extensive coverage in national press? As a side note, what is your connection to this play? -- MisterHand  (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 02:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I am related to a member of the SAYAB arts board, which awarded this play, but I have not read it myself. I do not consider myself biased as I have not offered an opinion on the show's merits or otherwise. That is for others to decide. I have avoided marketing speak and promotion. I created this page when I noticed the existing Wiki article with the same title points to a British TV show. I refer you to the SAYAB homepage, which states explicitly that the board only awards work ‘recognised professionally’. That is to say, the board chooses work from many applicants and is strong on checking references, quality and credentials. That is true also of venues and government support. This, again, is highly competitive. I do agree that not all of the hundreds of Fringe shows deserves a wiki page, but those select few directly funded by the South Australian Government, as judged by a panel of industry professionals from around the country, should be considered. I would like to champion other articles relating to the Australian theatre scene, and I have made a few small attempts to do so, but I'll accept if this is unwelcome. Over to you, Mister Hand.(Moviefreak26 (talk) 05:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC))
 * Keep and improve (especially the UPPERCASE nonsense). Sufficient notability is established through cited links. There's nothing to gain by deleting this article. To 123.2.53.91: The suffix (play) is needed to distinguish it from A Stab In The Dark, however it should be in lower case. Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep It in its current form, there is nothing wrong with this article. It meets Wikipedia's standards for notability. It is not unusual for characters in a play to be written in capitals. Some more information, such as "critical reception", would be useful though(129.96.130.210 (talk) 00:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC))
 * Delete - non-notable at present. A very premature article. I did a bit of digging around to see if the author, Alex Vickery-Howe, might meet notability criteria (and therefore re-direct etc) but unfortunately he doesn't. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 01:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - lack of coverage in reliable sources. Addhoc (talk) 20:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.