Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A State of Trance


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) sst ✈ 10:14, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

A State of Trance

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fails GNG. NOTADVERT / NOTPROMO Widefox ; talk 02:00, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Running a quick Google News search, I found no end of articles discussing this show, including, , and . Older articles tend to mention the show in passing while discussing van Buuren himself, as in , , or ; but note that last article also mentions how he had won two International Dance Music Awards, one of them for "beste radioprogramma". Admittedly I don't think any of these sources appear in the Wikipedia article, and that's something that should be fixed, but then the editor who proposed this deletion noted as much when they tagged the article with six ((multiple issues)) tags a few days before making this proposal. I feel like that's not in keeping with WP:BEFORE, and we should give editors a chance to fix the article's many asserted flaws before deleting on "notability" an article on what's probably the world's most popular trance radio show. Metadox (talk) 02:30, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation required - it's not clear to me that all those links are referring to the radio show, the music etc. Widefox ; talk 18:25, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah the confusion is understandable: ASOT the festivals are live broadcasts of ASOT the radio show, and ASOT the albums are usually compilations from ASOT the radio show. My link (1), Broadway World, is about a compilation album but speaks directly to the notability of the show with, e.g., "…his 'A State Of Trance' (ASOT) weekly two-hour radio show - currently airing on more than 100 radio stations in 84 countries to more than 33 million people each week…" and "His A State Of Trance radio show counts devoted fans from virtually every nation and they follow the weekly show with near-religious fanaticism." Link (2), Bangin Beats, is about three episodes of the show: episodes 600, 700, and whichever one was "last night" at the time of publication. Link (3), Music Times, I see now that it is about a compilation album and doesn't mention the radio show so scratch that. The three older links (4) (5) and (6) are about van Buuren himself and mention the show in the article, I included them mainly for compare-and-contrast.


 * And with the question of ambiguity you raised in mind, I'll add some more articles I think help make a better case: This more general Bangin Beats article goes into the history of the show, describes the rise of its popularity, the origin of the periodic live festival format, some awards its won, and its influence on later EDM radio shows. This article from News VietNamNet is about van Buuren's upcoming visit but it has a paragraph on the show that mentions its notability, saying "This radio show propelled him to stardom and helped cultivate an interest in trance music around the world." I include it to show non-music-press awareness of the show. That's also why I include this 3 News (New Zealand) story about a tragedy at ASOT 700, which also only just mentions the radio show.


 * On a more general note, one thought I had for cleaning up the larger trance-article-mess is that we could make this article more explicitly a General_overview_article on "everything van Buuren does called A State of Trance" with better-organized sections for breaking down the related albums and live performances, and merge in here all the low-quality articles with less chance of independently meeting notability, perhaps just as one line. (I'm not too familiar with editing music articles—I see pages all the time that are basically just detailed discographies and tracklists, but that doesn't mean they're a good idea. Is there a broad consensus on that in general?) Metadox (talk) 21:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. samtar (msg) 08:03, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep simply because I found links at Books, News and Highbeam to suggest this has gotten attention but have more in local media thus may need familiar attention. SwisterTwister   talk  06:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: sources are available to sufficiently qualify for WP:RPRGM. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 07:23, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.