Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A good offense is the best defense


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The result was delete. "A good article is not the best misquoted unsourced idiom". IronGargoyle 17:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

A good offense is the best defense

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This article is trivial and refers to a Catch phrase which is not universal and is often quoted to mean the exact opposite "The best offense is a good defense." In addition, there is no background on the phrase or any information about where the phrase may have originated. Adam McCormick 01:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete "The best offense is a good defense" has over 30,000 hits on Google while "A good offense is the best defense" has a mere 669. Plus, catch phrases that do have their own articles (e.g. "It's the economy, stupid" and the "giant sucking sound") generally have over 75,000 Google hits. - PoliticalJunkie 01:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per PoliticalJunkie. I really don't see the relevance of this, particularly when it's just a reversal of another catch phrase. -- Chairman S. Talk  Contribs  02:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above unless there is some intense academic study on this phrase reversal. –Pomte 02:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above --Kevin (TALK)(MUSIC) 04:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * DeleteBalloonman 04:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, I don't think it's here because of the reversal ("best defense is a good offense" is more popular -- 107K ghits), I think it's here as the only. Despite popular association with Jack Dempsey (sourced to Elia Kazan, at least) or Knute Rockne it seems to be a fairly generic aphorism and the early citations I find do not firmly support a football origin as is often supposed. Doesn't seem notable in the way that some other aphorisms are. --Dhartung | Talk 04:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Opinions in here and a violation of WP:NOT. Telly addict  15:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Same as the other contributors above. HagenUK 17:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * WAIT. The appropriate catchphrase is actually "The best defense is a good offense", which (excluding the "The") gets 107,000 ghits.  The article still needs cleanup, but it is definitely notable.  I will see what I can do about incorporating some sources.  -- Black Falcon 19:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete The misphrase causes it to be not notable enough for an article. Captain panda   In   vino   veritas  22:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:OR and incorrect at that. In the contexts I am familiar with, the phrase is a "The best defense is a good offense."  I seem to remember Van Miller saying this when I was growing up in Buffalo.  If not him then any of a number of other football announcers.  I have never heard the phrase the other way.  TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 05:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect, expand, and Keep. Redirect should go to The best offense is a good defense. Mathmo Talk 04:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to The best defense is a good offense, which has 107,000 ghits. -- Black Falcon 05:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete The fact that it's used often is irrelevant; unless there's some notable background information on its origin or something, this is just a dictionary definition. -Elmer Clark 05:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.