Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aarnivalkea


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Will-o'-the-wisp. (non-admin closure)  Rcsprinter123    (talk)  @ 15:16, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Aarnivalkea

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "Unreferenced entry that fails WP:GNG." It was deprodded by User:Delirium with the following edit summary: "unprod; there's already a proposed merge, which would make more sense than deletion, if that is the preference (but see talk for an objection to the proposed merge". The proposed merge doesn't address the fact that this entry has been unreferenced for 8 years, and thus fails GNG and V. I looked at Google Books and I am not seeing enough English language sources to warrant keeping this. Maybe there's something in the Finnish, but since nobody bothered to add a single one in eight years... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:53, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge, as I proposed some years ago. However, I continue to think deletion is unreasonable: either the article should be kept, or it should be merged. There is a reasonable discussion to be had about those alternatives (see the talk page). But there is no reasonable argument in favor of deletion. Therefore I am surprised by this nomination, which seems to me to be entirely without justification. --Delirium (talk) 05:28, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Read WP:V and WP:GNG; they are all the justification we need to delete a stub that's been unreferenced for 8 years. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:18, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ♔   12:49, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. What is presented it not notable for an article in and of itself; what is mentioned can be placed in the Outokumpu coppermine article as a footnote. Kierzek (talk) 14:25, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge - I did find several mentions in gBooks but they are behind paywalls and other such obstacles (one is in finnish, and the translation software won't work on gBooks) so I'm not entirely sure what they say, but definitely proves the subject is real. For example, from Llewellyn's Complete Book of Names for Pagans, Wiccans, Witches, Druids, Heathens, Mages, Shamans & Independent Thinkers of All Sorts who are Curious about Names from Every Place and Every Time it I quote says; In Finland, the seed of the fern flower found on Midsummer Night is said to be a powerful talisman, which will bestow invisibility upon the finder and enable them to discover Aarnivalkea—places where an eternal fire similar to the English... and then cuts off. See gbooks search. JTdale   Talk 20:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge with Will-o'-the-wisp]. My Finnish ain't all that (ha), so if someone comes up with some sources that cover this in sufficient depth then fair enough. Until then though, a merge/redirect, as is already proposed, will do just fine. Surprised no-one has just done it to be honest. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 01:32, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect, merge if referenced The Finnish Wikipedia article on Will-o'-the-wisp mentions Aarnivalkea as an alternative name to the light phenomenon in the lead (the other is Virvatuli in Finnish). It doesn't seem to be notable as a separate thing, but the Northern Europe section could be expanded with this if someone digs up references. --Pudeo' 01:31, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
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