Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Craft


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. T. Canens (talk) 23:19, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Aaron Craft

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Not notable per guidelines for sports people Sitush (talk) 19:32, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Keep I am a substantial contributor (with more to add in coming weeks).

Under Wikipedia:Notability (sports) it states in section 5.1 (College athletes): This article fulfills requirement since it shows that he won a national award per requirements (in fact he won 3 notable awards by being selected Big Ten Freshman team, Big Ten Defensive team and Big Ten Sixth Man of the Year. The article links to several sources that support that he has gained national media attention as an individual.

As for the uploaded picture, I should have read before posting. Thank you for deleting it. I'll find an appropriate one to replace. CtrlAltDel60 (talk) 20:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep - seems notable to me, well-referenced with citations from ESPN and Yahoo News, many awards, thus meeting WP:GNG, never mind sports guidelines. Why was this nominated? Please don't bite the newbies. Bearian (talk) 18:21, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: The citations from ESPN and Yahoo are routine sports coverage debarred from the GNG. As far as his awards go, CtrlAltDel60 is incorrect in claiming that Craft won "national" awards.  He did not; he won conference citations, both of which - Yahoo Sports Big Ten Freshman list isn't an official award - do not make the rather extensive and exhaustive list of conference awards for which the College Football wikiproject claim presumptive notability.   Ravenswing  20:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As I have said at AfD before, I don't know much about sports. Perhaps the guideline needs to be more specific.   Can you cite an similar prior outcomes?  I am willing, as always, to change my mind. Bearian (talk) 00:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply: The guideline is, in fact, extremely specific, in that it links to a list of accepted awards at both the national and conference levels. Now personally I find the list absurdly inclusive, in that it confers presumptive notability on many dozens of players a year, at an amateur level which the other sports Wikiprojects don't come close to enshrining.  Follow it down, though, and they cite the official league awards for Player of the Year, Offensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, Offensive Linesman of the Year, Defensive Linesman of the Year and Freshman of the Year.  Craft won none of these accolades and thus doesn't gain presumptive notability under NSPORTS.   Ravenswing  11:16, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Extensive citation only to routine trivial news coverage, no significant awards. --Bejnar (talk) 02:49, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - it's already well cited, and with the coverage from the aforementioned awards will be even more so. The awards might not be enough to confer automatic notability, but the media coverage from them should help it further exceed the GNG. matt91486 (talk) 20:15, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - it doesn't even meet the GNG, let alone exceed it. And WP does not deal in "what might happen" - Sitush (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per above: his awards are not "national awards", almost no other recognition outside the whole team. Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 22:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources go beyond routine coverage because they delve into the subject's life and are not solely about an individual game. See this article and this article from The Plain Dealer, which profile Aaron Craft. He passes Notability. Cunard (talk) 23:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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