Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ab Justice


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Ab Justice

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Non-notable golfer. Appears to have played six rounds of golf in two tournaments. I understand that a "pro" is a "pro" but looking at WP:Notability (people), I see: ''A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included. Should a person fail to meet these additional criteria, they may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability.'' I don't see six rounds of golf as falling under "generally notable", and I can't find any separate reason to support notability. Frank |  talk  03:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC) 
 * Weak delete per nom. Weak keep Entirely unsourced WP:BLP. However, if it were sourced it appears it would pass WP:ATHLETE? Strange considering only six rounds of golf, but if it is in pro tournaments, this would count? Symplectic Map (talk) 15:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I found this [PGA tour website. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] (talk) 21:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the link above, showing he played six rounds of pro golf. As I said, I'm not sure that qualifies him as "generally notable". Frank  |  talk  21:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete He came, he swung, no one cared. ThuranX (talk) 03:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Golf-related deletion discussions.  -- kelapstick (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep He played in the PGA which is the "competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis", which is the first criteria of WP:Athelete. Notwithstanding WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, Major League Baseball players who have only played one game in the majors pass WP:Athlete, playing six rounds of golf in the PGA is no different.--kelapstick (talk) 15:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment it is not surprising that not a lot of online sources are coming up for a golfer who played six rounds in the PGA in the 50s (from what I can tell from the article summaries that is when he played), GNews for "Ab Justice" and "Donald Justice" bring up about three-four pages of sources combined that are locked behind pay walls. It appears that he may have been pretty good on the NCAA scene, the article says he was All-American at Oklahoma State.--kelapstick (talk) 16:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * update I found an article about the 1958 NCAA championship that he was playing in, second round he was in the lead, only thing it was really citable for (with the paragraph that you can preview for free) is his name and where he goes to school.--kelapstick (talk) 20:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - The two tournaments were in 1990 (see the second link in the nomination). Frank  |  talk  21:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well they must be the same person since I doubt that there are two golfers named "Donald M. Justace", even a father/son it would be odd for them to both have the nickname "Ab". If he was playing NCAA in 1958 (per the NYT reference) that would make him about 50-55 by the time he was playing in his two tournaments in the PGA in 1990, that's plausable.  Without purchasing the article to see how deep the coverage about him was the cite I have really just proves that he exists and played NCAA golf at Oklahoma state, and was pretty good at it, not much else, but I am sticking with my WP:ATHLETE rationale.--kelapstick (talk) 21:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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