Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abbey Middle School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Merge and redirect to Cauldwell. The school is already mentioned there, so I will leave it to other editors to be bold if they want to merge any more content. Camaron | Chris (talk) 13:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Abbey Middle School

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This middle school is not notable. The three sentence article is just a basic listing. AnteaterZot (talk) 09:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   cab (talk) 10:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to district or delete otherwise. Non-notable. CRGreathouse (t | c) 14:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy redirect to Cauldwell to where I have already merged the content. TerriersFan (talk) 20:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to a new section under Cauldwell. The page has been expanded and is now informative but it still doesn't contain enough secondary sourced material that I can argue for it being kept. However, it is still being worked on and I'm happy to alter my view if the necessary sources are found. TerriersFan (talk) 23:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I really dont see why Abbey middle school should be deleted, all other middle schools in Bedford are listed on wikipedia. For the purposes of classification Bedfordshire LEA classes its Middle Schools as secondary schools and some of the middle schools originally started life as secondary-Modern Schools. Why should Abbey Middle School not have its own wikipedia article when other middle schools in Bedford do? Bleaney (talk) 13:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I have now researched and greatly expanded the article on Abbey Middle School. I really now think the wikipedia article should stand. Bleaney (talk) 14:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Unlike most of the United Kingdom, in Bedfordshire there is a three-tier education education system. Some middle schools are deemed as secondary schools, some as primary. All the middle schools in Bedfordshire are deemed secondary as stated by Bleaney above. Now, looking at the article guidelines at WP Schools, it does quote as proposed for notability "In practice most high schools/secondary schools in the English-speaking world can easily satisfy these criteria", however it also proposes "The majority of middle schools/junior high schools are also unlikely to satisfy the Wikipedia notability criteria". So it's a tough one to call as the school in question falls into both camps. Incidently, there are a few middle schools with their own article at Middle Schools in England, does this mean they may be listed at Afd too? --Starrycupz (talk) 22:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - the current policy proposal is at WP:School. However, the page doesn't yet meet that standard nor WP:N from first principles (and as regulars on here know I am not slow to defend defensible school pages!). I have provided the creator guidance on my talk page. This school was in special measures and the story as to why, and how it came out, can be sourced. That, with some of the other material available, may well be enough when added but it needs to be done quickly. TerriersFan (talk) 23:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Also I have a referenced source indicationg that the school WAS a Secondary Modern School until Bedfordshire LEA's reorganisation in the 1970's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bleaney (talk • contribs) 00:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 11:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Am relisting to enable other people to see the new version of the article which is significantly different to what was initially nominated. Davewild (talk) 11:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - no matter how exquisite the article, it's still non-notable.--—TreasuryTag talk contribs  11:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect/Merge to its town per WP:SCL, in this case Bedford. • Gene93k (talk) 13:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - if it's a private school then delete, but if its a public school then its notable in my book.Traditional unionist (talk) 20:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - it is most definitely a public school, operated by the Bedfordshire LEA. TerriersFan (talk) 00:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a source on the page in any way shows notability of this school. All they say is that it exists. I don't get this public vs private argument, so I'm defaulting to sourcing, which is absent. Paddy Simcox (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to a new section under Cauldwell or delete. Keeping is not a decision that is affected by what type of school it is (public v private}. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Some believe that any school paid for by taxpayers is notable, while others would have to satisfy the WP:ORG standards. Double Blue  (Talk) 16:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.