Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abbie Kamin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that the subject meets Wikipedia's notability standards and that the article should be retained. North America1000 06:36, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Abbie Kamin

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WP:BLP of a city councillor, not properly referenced as passing WP:NPOL #2. While Houston is certainly a large and important enough city that its city councillors could be deemed notable if they were citing reliable source coverage in media, that's not what this is doing: it's referenced to two primary sources and a WordPress blog, none of which are reliable or notability-supporting sources at all, and it essentially just verifies that she exists without documenting any evidence of her political significance. Even in major cities, the city councillors still are not handed an automatic inclusion freebie on bad sourcing just because they exist -- the inclusion test is still the depth of media coverage they can show to support a substantive article. Bearcat (talk) 18:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep per WP:NPOL and WP:POLOUTCOMES. Kamin is a city councilor of a prominent international city this gives notability, even Bearcat agreed Houston was a prominent city. WP:ARTN states an articles poor sourcing and content does not diminish notability. In my opinion WP:NEXIST also applies here. If you go look at other city councilor articles like Vivian Moreno or Michael Scott Jr. their sourcing and content isn't much better or worse. This is a similar deletion discussion Articles for deletion/Frank Baker (politician) for a city councilor of a city smaller than Houston which at the time had 1 sentence in it, the result was speedy keep. Notability does not depend on sourcing and content, Kamin is notable because she is a city councilor of a prominent international city and because of her coverage. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 19:15, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment here are some WP:NEXIST sources that prove notability         Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 19:55, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Week keep Based on the state of the article I'd say delete, but the fact is that she has reliable sources about her so that's a reason to keep. ⌚️ (talk) 21:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 02:21, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - the article is in poor shape, but good sources have been found. Bearian (talk) 17:25, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


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