Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abbotsford motorcycles


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The result was   no consensus. slakr \ talk / 23:34, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Abbotsford motorcycles

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Fails WP:GNG and according to the article "very little information seems to have survived." MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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 * delete article makes no claim to notability. LibStar (talk) 03:56, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Sad but there is little or nothing that can be written about this company, beyond that they existed. Same is to be said for articles in the same category Absolom motorcycles, Acme motorcycle (1911–13), Acme motorcycle (1915-17), Acme motorcycle (1939–49), Advance (Australian motorcycle), AJT (motorcycle), ANA (motorcycle). All of these have just a single reference from the same source. Perhaps someone wants to write Failed motorcycle manufacturing businesses in Australia or suchlike these all between them could be a paragraph or two at most. Delete - Peripitus (Talk) 05:30, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * There are a few thousands of these small companies, from almost every country, not just Australia, in the history of motorcycling, and we should discuss what to do with all of them at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorcycling. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:16, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep It took but a moment to find a substantial source — Lost Motorcycles Of The 1920s — which contains plenty of detail about such obscure marques. Andrew (talk) 18:29, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep 1. There is notability in the fact that this company was one of quite a few Australian motorcycle manufacturers that flourished at the start of the last century and then disappeared. As a part of this interesting history it is notable. 2. There is, I expect, more information to be found on the NLA Trove digitized newspapers from the era. I have focused on trawling this for Waratah, and a few other makes, so far, but I expect that careful searching will reveal source material from the period. Pyobon (talk) 09:42, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr  \ talk / 02:29, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:NTEMP. Needs expanded beyond a stub with more sources. VMS Mosaic (talk) 03:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as no evidence of notability. →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  04:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * There is evidence of notability as I provided a source above. Andrew (talk) 17:44, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * But what does that volume say about this company ? I've searched the NLA Trove list of newspapers from the period and found zero mentions of this company, not even advertisements. - Peripitus (Talk) 02:04, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with Peripitus, Other than that one source there's no further evidence of notability beyond that at all →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  02:26, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No, there are other sources including Alle Motorräder 1894 bis heute and Enzyklopädie des Motorrads. It's the searches which produce results which matter; not the ones that don't. Andrew (talk) 04:18, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * but what do those sources, and the first one you indicated, say about this company ? Peripitus (Talk) 08:35, 30 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e deckertalk 16:51, 28 May 2014 (UTC)




 * Keep - Appears to meet WP:CORPDEPTH. Source examples:
 * Erwin Tragatsch: Alle Motorräder 1894 bis heute. Motorbuch Verlag, Stuttgart, 4. Auflage 1982, ISBN 3-87943-410-7
 * S. Ewald: Enzyklopädie des Motorrads. Bechtermünz Verlag, Augsburg 1999, ISBN 978-3860471425
 * A-Z of Australian-Made Motorcycles 1893-1942 by Robert Saward, Turton & Armstrong Pty Ltd, ISBN 0-908031-64-5
 * Lost Motorcycles of The 1920s
 * I'm unable to preview the sources to ascertain the depth of coverage about the company, though. NorthAmerica1000 12:14, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Northamerica1000's sources may be sufficient to establish notability. Would like to discuss the articles as a group as mentioned by Dennis Bratland above. — Brianhe (talk) 16:04, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
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