Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdali Mall


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The result was no consensus. two relists later, and there's absolutely no consensus here. Someone should check the Arabic sources before considering renomination. Courcelles (talk) 20:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Abdali Mall

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I prodded this with the reason, "A non-notable, still under construction mall. At the very least WP:TOOSOON. The article's creator contested the prod with "The mall is considered to be the hugest in the city, it also lies in the middle of an economic district. Opening in about 3 months so its not that early" - none of which matters regarding notability. Currently the references include 3 press releases and the mall's website. Searches on the engines returned nothing to show this mall meets either WP:GNG or WP:CORP.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:38, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep. 2 million square ft, which, by our usual practice is certainly enough for notability. (the usual cutoff is 1 million). It's a reasonable assumption that appropriate soures can be found . DGG ( talk ) 04:54, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * DGG Is the 1 million cutoff for the total area or the Gross leasable area? While the total area of this mall is around 2 million sq ft the gross leasable area(which is usually in the infobox, in this case the infobox is incorrect) is only 614,850 sq ft. Most malls don't even mention what the total area is do they? Me5000 (talk) 17:12, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No they don't, because they are typically parking lots and the associated internal roads. They do not really imply anything about importance.  DGG ( talk ) 17:35, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Sources do not establish notability and the Gross leasable area is only 614,850 sq ft well below the 1 million cut-off, so this shouldn't be kept on the basis of size either. Me5000 (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of sources are in Arabic, hold up... I will add the references shortly, also its a $300 million project. Its definitely notable --Makeandtoss (talk) 12:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: Having worked on mall articles in many countries, I note it can be a pain to source with non-English sources, but this a large project and one can see it is notable from the amount of coverage it is getting. Give Makeandtoss a chance to supplement the sourcing.--Milowent • hasspoken  13:16, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles (talk) 01:00, 22 September 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - it has a gross leasable area of 775,000 square feet. The normal internal non-leasable area (i.e., hallways, bath rooms, food court, etc.) would put this mall's total internal area well within reach of 1 million square feet. I have always assumed the size cutoff was based on total floor area. VMS Mosaic (talk) 04:14, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - neither of the prior two comments really give a valid rationale for keeping. Size is not a reason, and simply noting that there is coverage, without providing it, and searches do not appear to agree with that statement, doesn't really make a strong argument to keep.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - I managed to find one more source in English please check it out, as I said before you will not find much on this in English... Its costs $300 million to build, how is that not notable? --Makeandtoss (talk) 16:34, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Keep - The article is a stub. Tag it and let it be as there are some articles that point to it. Not outright notable but has some significance. - Pmedema (talk) 13:08, 29 September 2015 (UTC) Keep I did a quick search of the Jordan Times (I'm not qualified to check the Arabic sources) and a dozen articles at least mentioning the development came up. Not a great article at this time, but meets WP:NOTABILITY. Fiachra10003 (talk) 04:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Possibly a case of TOOSOON. A $300M mall project is going to generate substantial press coverage, of that we can be sure.Carrite (talk) 15:31, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


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